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Anti-Black Slander
by Ayinde
July 26, 2004
Ras Adam said:
"There's lots of strong Afrikan voices on this board, but lots of them are anti-Rasta, Anti-Selassie, Anti- Racial Equality, Anti-race Mixing, Anti-etc.. so would I be contrary to some of these CONcepts?? You bet.."
What kind of a ridiculous statement is this?
Who are the lots of them?
Is this another attempt to slander the few recognizable Black ones like myself?
Am I to believe that to disagree with White Ras Adam, and his White friends on key Black issues is to be against Rastas and Rastafari?
Apparently you have cornered the world market on what Rastafari and this Black Movement is all about. Apparently you feel that you know how Blacks are supposed to interpret things - especially in this Black Movement. So apparently unknown to many of us, you were appointed some great Rasta Elder, and an interpreter for Blacks. As far as I know dark-skinned Blacks are few on these boards.
For the records, I am opposed to white missionary tactics; your serious misrepresentation of Selassie's words to the extent that you assumed his words meant that he was supporting your "race mixing as a tool to break down racism."
I am opposed to your brand of racism, which is often more covert, and a sinister attempt to trivialize African concerns.
I certainly cannot be anti-Rasta as I identify with Rasta in its most ancient form (something you obviously know little to nothing about). I do not identify with some careless association with Whites in some 'onelove' game that dismisses Black issues, which is a mask for keeping White Superiority and privileges intact.
I am opposed to racial-equality if that means being the same as Whites, or any other kind of ignorant and oppressive people, and/or playing for White/fair-skinned acceptance. That is racial stupidity, which contributes to all other forms of abuses. Blacks have no right trying to become equal to whites.
So far you have not proven through reason or otherwise that any of my arguments are false. Instead you peddle Selassie's name as a mask for ignorance, in my view.
For example, your strong defense of your claim about "race mixing being a great tool to break down racism." You strongly defended that even when presented with better arguments, and that showed that you do not have the foggiest idea what racism is really about, and have not looked at your own white privileged conditioning.
You were firm in your view that Whites were to benefit from the Back to Africa (repatriation) movement, and because you see a small number of Whites claiming repatriation to Africa, you feel it should not be our (Black People) concern. Nowhere in heaven can anyone make a serious argument to show how Blacks must help raise funds to also assist whites to repatriate to Africa. But in the face of many arguments you feel that whites by virtue of getting involved with Blacks/Rastafari are entitled to what is supposed to be for Blacks only.
I feel that people did not challenge your ideas early enough before allowing you into our Black people's business. And as more Blacks get better informed they will work to ensure that Black Movements serve Black interests as they were meant to serve.
The only thing can I agree with you on, is that you do have a right to your views, and are well within your right to spread them. However, you and all who support your views on Whites claiming and benefiting from Repatriation to Africa, "race mixing is a great tool to break down racism", and any other anti-Black views you share, should not expect this Black kinky-hair one to assist in spreading those ideas, or to help raise funds to promote it.
I strongly feel those ideas are not in the best interest of Blacks, and I will act accordingly.
Ras Adam's Response
by Ras Adam Simeon
July 26, 2004
Ayinde wrote: "Ras Adam said: "There's lots of strong Afrikan voices on this board, but lots of them are anti-Rasta, Anti-Selassie, Anti- Racial Equality, Anti-race Mixing, Anti-etc.. so would I be contrary to some of these CONcepts?? You bet.."
What kind of a ridiculous statement is this?"
That's my opinion based on what i've read on this newly taken over board this past year or so.
"Who are the lots of them?"
Read the posts: people raging against Imperial rule, Amharas (his race),Christianity(Selassie's Faith), The Bible(the book HIM Gloried in Daily), One Love(an ancient rasta ideology now tainted and made into a curse word to promote hate), trying to turn rasta into freemasonry or egyptology, calling HIM a coward who let his people suffer while he lived in splendor..the list goes on and if the old posts weren't erased or if someone has them archived them somewhere i'll happily go pull up all the anti-rasta, anti-selassie quotes and the authors.
"Is this another attempt to slander the few recognizable Black ones like myself?"
This is to say if you are agasint selassie WHY are you (anyone) on a board called RASTAFARI SPAEAKS??????????????????
Would you go top ALLLAH SPEAKS and start dissing him??? Does that make any sense??????????
"Am I to believe that to disagree with White Ras Adam, and his White friends on key Black issues is to be against Rastas and Rastafari?"
Anyone free to disagree w/ me on anything I say. and anyone free to speak out against whatever they want.
"Apparently you have cornered the world market on what Rastafari and this Black Movement is all about."
Not in the least
"Apparently you feel that you know how Blacks are supposed to interpret things especially in this Black Movement."
I speak for myself. my opinions are my own.period.
"So apparently unknown to many of us, you were appointed some great Rasta Elder, and an interpreter for Blacks."
No One appointed me anything for anyone.
"As far as I know dark-skinned Blacks are few on these boards."
Where do you get that from?
"For the records, I am opposed to white missionary tactics"
Me too ever see the movie The Mission with robert deniro?
"your serious misrepresentation of Selassie's words to the extent that you assumed his words meant that he was supporting your "race mixing as a tool to break down racism."
Haile Selassie was AGAINST Racial oppression Supremacy Classism period. for all races.
"I am opposed to your brand of racism, which is often more covert, and a sinister attempt to trivialize African concerns."
I'm opposed to negative anti humanity vibes
"I certainly cannot be anti-Rasta as I identify with Rasta in its most ancient form (something you obviously know little to nothing about)."
You can call yourself what you like...
"I do not identify with some careless association with Whites in some 'onelove' game that dismisses Black issues, which is a mask for keeping White Superiority and privileges intact."
I'm for positive people. period.
"I am opposed to racial-equality if that means being the same as Whites,"
racial equality is for every race
"or any other kind of ignorant and oppressive people,"
Nice statement.
"and/or playing for White/fair-skinned acceptance. That is racial stupidity, which contributes to all other forms of abuses. Blacks have no right trying to become equal to whites."
no doubt, we should all be on equal footing regardless of race.
"So far you have not proven through reason or otherwise that any of my arguments are false."
In my estimation your not budging on your ideals so i dont know if i can push that boulder up that hill over and over to have it roll back down on my toe, but i guess that's life sometimes.
"Instead you peddle Selassie's name as a mask for ignorance, in my view."
what am i selling?
"For example, your strong defense of your claim about "race mixing being a great tool to break down racism." You strongly defended that even when presented with better arguments, and that showed that you do not have the foggiest idea what racism is really about, and have not looked at your own white privileged conditioning."
I conceded many things in that reasoning but i was so misquoted so many times it got lost in the muck of bs that followed. claiming i said race mixing
was the great panecea that alone would end racism, saying i was trying to make everyone grey in a master plan to erase the color black. re re re
"You were firm in your view that Whites were to benefit from the Back to Africa (repatriation) movement,"
I say we are all africans and should move back there if we see fit.
"and because you see a small number of Whites claiming repatriation to Africa, you feel it should not be our (Black People) concern."
There's no flood of anyone moving there of any color. and since there are few (1 or 2) living on the land i said it was a non issue(MEANING not a pressing giant affair) not meaning it means nothing to anyone. obviously people who dont want white people living in ethiopia WOULD have it as an issue.
"Nowhere in heaven can anyone make a serious argument to show how Blacks must help raise funds to also assist whites to repatriate to Africa."
Ayinde You go show me a quote where I EVER said ANYONE should pay 1 cent for a white person to move to Africa. I NEVER MADE THAT STATMENT. EVER. Never alluded to it. never implied it. EVER.
"But in the face of many arguments you feel that whites by virtue of getting involved with Blacks/Rastafari are entitled to what is supposed to be for Blacks only."
I feel that we (rastafarians) should indeed have any right to live where we want, especially in outr fathers land, marry who we want , make babies with who we want etc... any race any class any creed... yes.
"I feel that people did not challenge your ideas early enough before allowing you into our Black people's business."
I have been challanged on many thing for many years by many people.
"And as more Blacks get better informed they will work to ensure that Black Movements serve Black interests as they were meant to serve."
I hope as people get wider vision and become global citizens, their minds and hearts will open
"The only thing can I agree with you on, is that you do have a right to your views,"
Yes Bredrin as do you
"and are well within your right to spread them."
and you yours
"However, you and all who support your views on Whites claiming and benefiting from Repatriation to Africa, "race mixing is a great tool to break down racism", and any other anti-Black views you share,"
inclusion does note equate anti anything
"should not expect this Black kinky-hair one to assist in spreading those ideas, or to help raise funds to promote it."
No one is asking for $ from you for white people i don't know where you got that one from.
ras a
I strongly feel those ideas are not in the best interest of Blacks, and I will act accordingly.
Ayinde's Response
by Ayinde
July 27, 2004
Ras Adam said:
"That's my opinion based on what i've read on this newly taken over board this past year or so."
If people are just peddling the word Rastafari while disrespecting the issues that the movement was supposed to be addressing, it shows that they may be ignorant of many Black African perspectives. You really do not expect Black people like myself to provide space for Whites to insult us. As such, it is well within the owners' right to allow the board to evolve to accommodate the Black voices that were neglected.
Improving on what went before is development, and not rigidly adhering to poor ideas because some people back then did not have access to better information with which to evaluate things.
You may feel that we dark-skinned Blacks are supposed to stay quiet, and sponsor forums and repatriation for White missionaries like yourself to practice racist remote control. Thank heavens the operators here feel otherwise. And guess what, it is well within their/our rights.
Improvement for Black Africans is often seen as destruction for uninformed Whites, so if you feel the board is being taken over by Black African views then that is a definite step in the right direction, especially for Black Africans. It means the movement may be starting to reach the people it is supposed to address. We all cannot be contented with operating tourist-type-feel-good-in-ignorance-playgrounds for Whites... you know. The Internet is already filled with those, and even your unreasoned views. (Check your own links pool)
Ras Adam said:
"Read the posts: people raging against Imperial rule, Amharas (his race),Christianity(Selassie's Faith), The Bible(the book HIM Gloried in Daily), One Love(an ancient rasta ideology now tainted and made into a curse word to promote hate), trying to turn rasta into freemasonry or egyptology, calling HIM a coward who let his people suffer while he lived in splendor..the list goes on and if the old posts weren't erased or if someone has them archived them somewhere i'll happily go pull up all the anti-rasta, anti-selassie quotes and the authors."
Hey, Black Africans like myself have every right to "rage" (to quote your impression of our views) against any kind of rule and practice that oppresses or disenfranchises us. Black kinky-hair Africans like myself have every right not to accept the bible and Christianity as is, or anyone else's interpretation of Spirituality. No more white missionaries and false White saviours. Dark-skinned Blacks, and all other righteous people should only interpret things, including this movement, in a way that first uplifts Blacks, especially the dark-skinned kinky hair Bantu type Blacks(The original Blacks of Eithopia held at the bottom of the social and economic ladder). It is still a Black based Movement. Some Black Africans may have good reasons for the positions they take, and since you have demonstrated a lack of sensitivity to serious Black African concerns (In my view), then you are no judge for Black African's words and actions.
In the future when you disagree with something you should challenge it in the moment, instead of waiting until the threads are moved to present your slander/anti-Black propaganda.
Ras Adam said:
"This is to say if you are agasint selassie WHY are you (anyone) on a board called RASTAFARI SPAEAKS??????????????????"
You are quite rude here; you are certainly not the one to inform the Website operators or any other person how to interpret Rastafari. In my view, your own awareness of what Rastafari entails is WAY to limited and narrow, and anyhow, you seem to be more about accommodating ignorant Whites who flatter you. That is, White Superiority in a Black Movement. Of course feel free to share whatever views you have. We can all learn a thing or two from the distortions.
Ras adam quoted I and responded:
Ayinde said:
"As far as I know dark-skinned Blacks are few on these boards."
Adams questioned:
"Where do you get that from?"
You seem to be unable to understand simple English. I said AS FAR AS I KNOW. I only know a few people on these boards. So I get it from my first hand knowledge of people on the board.
Ras adam asked:
"what am i selling?"
And as far as I am concerned you are a White Missionary.
You are selling anti-Black ignorance. Your strong view that, "Race Mixing is a great tool to break down racism", and your view that Whites are entitled to claim physical Repatriation to Africa, is definitely ignorance, and anti-Black in my view.
You conceded nothing, but instead went on to slander and distract.
Ras Adam said:
"I say we are all africans and should move back there if we see fit."
Here again, you are either lying or seriously distorting. The debate was about Whites claiming physical Repatriation to Africa, and especially so in a Black Movement where Repatriation is about Black Africans and their descendents who were forcefully removed from Africa. You were also trying to promote a fund raising exercise here for a group that accepts Whites benefiting from the Back to Africa (Repatriation) movement. As I said that policy is misguided, and you should not try to covertly or overtly promote that here. It is down right disrespectful.
Ras Adam said:
"inclusion does note equate anti anything"
You are very misguided here again. Including ignorance, overt and covert racism in the affairs of this Black movement is anti-Black. Whites benefiting from the physical Back to Africa movement are also anti-Black. Promoting "race mixing as a great tool to break down racism" is also anti-Black. Hence in my view you are definitely anti-Black.
Ras Adam said:
"No one is asking for $ from you for white people i don't know where you got that one from"
You are promoting physical White repatriation to Africa, and especially so in a Black Movement. Many including myself could have unwittingly contributed to this folly. And if you make such post here (I hope you don't) you are also asking me to help contribute to what I see as anti-Black, which is definitely against my own self. The website should not support it if we strongly believe it is against our collective Black interest. But you are free to promote it elsewhere.
Whites can migrate to anywhere they choose (I am not even happy with that given the attitude of most whites), but in so doing they should not feel that they are part of any Black back to Africa Movement (Repatriation). They should not benefit from funds or land set aside for this exercise.
Whites should work, earn their own money and support Black groups without having controlling interest. They should pay their own way, and not expect to be recipients of resources and rights that were set aside for Blacks and their descendents who were forcefully removed from Africa. If I am wrong in my views here then prove it.
To be anti-your (Ras Adam) views is not to be anti-Rasta or Rastafari, and it certainly is not a physical attack on you. It is in reality, legitimate Self Defense.
On another note:
Posted By: ras adam simeon
Date: Monday, 26 July 2004, at 3:30 p.m.
In Response To: Re: iyah360 (iyah360)
http://www.rastafarispeaks.com/cgi-bin/forum/config.pl?noframes;read=42236
Ras adam said: "The internet and typed words is really NOT the way to know people measure people judge people. Look up some research on what people do lonine how they act waht they say diff from real life. you'd be surprised. There is no way to know that ayinde is not white and ras adam is not black this is virtual reality bredrin."
Why on earth would you try to use my name in your dishonest reasoning to impute false photos? That is how you feel you can distort and distract from the issues.
You and another one a while back asked for posters to put up their photos. I did. Fortunately several of the Black ones on this site have reasoned with I face to face, and I was reliably informed by someone who met you, whom I trust very much, that you are indeed White. So yes, all the pictures you see of the management and supporters are real, and there is no need to try to create a distortion where there are none.
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