Africa Speaks Reasoning Forum

I've been reading Na'im Akbar's Breaking The Psychological Chains of slavery (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0935257055/theorderofthesel/002-4792942-4299249). In this book, not only does Akbar assert that blue-eyed blonde representations of GOD, J.E.S.U.S and other Religious figures are erroneous,
But that they are harmful to the psychological development of Black, and other nonwhite people.
He goes on to state that if the Superior Being is represented as Caucasian, then that leads Blacks to aspire to be like the superior being. Blacks can never attain this (not even Michael Jackson) and thus sets up a perpetual cycle of Religion imposed inferiority.
He also states that any representation of GOD as having human features does a disservice to mankind since GOD is limitless and does not need to be cloaked in white flesh to be acceptable.

As a result we should demand that all representations of Religious figures (as Caucasians) be banned for the mental health of our people!

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Kelani-

YEs sistah!  EXCELLENT BOOK!

ROOTS

This post makes me wonder what All Black religious figures would do to the white psychology.

Doesn't history show that there have been enlightened individuals and spiritual masters of all races; prophets, priests and leaders?

Jah and Life is a mystery, can it be broken down to black or white?

One thing that's for sure is that all pyschological chains must be broken.

"The Conquering Lion is gonna break every chain" - Lauryn Hill

Kebo

 
That depends on how you measure Enlightened.

This is a very good book. I just finished it this morning. It is very enlightening. The book is short and to the point.

Are you suggesting Ayinde that Jah never gave the spiritual power to anyone outside of Africa?

If there aren't any white figures throughout history worthy of giving guidance to humanity than people shouldn't look to any.

But if Jah did give whites The POWER through history then jah intended for those figures to be guides to the ONE.

I just don't get this philosophy and banning all figures who are white. Haile Sellassie is the man with the power and so InI white people look to Haile Sellassie I for guidance.

The question comes down to whether or not Jah blessed any whites through the ages to act as spiritual guides to the kingdom. Research would be the determining force.

Perhaps the CReator didn't give the POWeR to any whites, but if He did, then strictly banning all white spiritual figures from the black masses may be going against Jah own appointments.

Na'im Akbar's reasoning is interesting, but it appears to me like a racial trap to get the racially-obessessed tripped up on.

The masses are smarter than to treat 'em like little kids.

Kebo

You really show you bias claiming Dr. Na'im Akbar's theory is a Racial trap. Dr. Nai'm Akbar is just stating that Blacks must control the governmental & EDUCATIONAL process that control our lives; that after 400 years of oppression and slavery, and beatings, and murders, and drugging, and sexual abuse, and MISEDUCATION, at the hands of whites and Arabs, we have A GOD GIVEN RIGHT to deny our Masters Authority and allegiance to CONTROL our lives. HOW does this make his statements and theory a RACIAL trap or even a Racist one? I don't think so! Examine your own people KEBO..

Considering the horror that is so clearly documented in HISTORY as to the colossal greed and slaughter of Caucasians in this world, I'm kind of curious as to HOW white priests, leaders or so-called prophets were BENEVOLENT in Human History. Europeans Priests and Leaders having guns and looking to conquer others doesn't seem so "holy" to me. AFRIKANS worldwide have been treated as cattle, not even treated as well as the Master's dog, but according to YOU, from you Euro-centric frame of reference, we should be grateful for some white priests and leaders who for the most part were unwilling to give up their Masters status and maintained the MENTAL SLAVERY of our People.

You come on here stating that you are a white RACIST looking for UNDERSTANDING then your Euro-centrism IGNORANCE and ARROGANCE start coming out.. You are so  PREDICTABLE it's amazing!


Bantu-Kelani.

Kelani wrote:
"You come on here stating that you are a white RACIST looking for UNDERSTANDING then your Euro-centrism IGNORANCE and ARROGANCE start coming out.."

You don't see the link between the two Kelani, being a racist and being ignorant/arrogant?
I confessed to having racism in the pysche so that if arrogance or ignorance comes forth, it won't be denied as racism.
Only through coming forth straightforward, without holding back, can this man have the hope of seeing any ignorant/arrogant/racist content of what is spoken in the light of the rasta fire.  
Upon confessing of racism in my psyche I didn't concurrently confess to overstand all, but admitted I had MUCH to LEARN, and was appealing to rasta minds for fire.
And so, this fire which you blasted does not burn.

Kelani also wrote:
"according to YOU, from you Euro-centric frame of reference, we should be grateful for some white priests and leaders who for the most part were unwilling to give up their Masters status and maintained the MENTAL SLAVERY of our People."

You clearly show that you didn't take the time to read my reasoning. Maybe its because you think I'm ignorant and have nothing intelligent to say. Whatever the reason, you're not obligated to reason genuinely with me.  

Kebo

To some Americans Bush is enlightened.  :'(
To some Germans Hitler was enlightened.  :-[
To some people Plato and Socrates were enlightened  :-X

All of this depends on the yardstick people use to measure Enlightenment.

I know many books written by Europeans, Chinese and other people that are worth reading but if you ask I (Ayinde) if I found any of them really enlightened then my answer is NO.

Being Englightened as far as a verbal measurement goes, for this man, is ONE who knows themself and who represents God.
God, being the truth, the nature, the reality, the spirit. The Ancient Almighty. Being enlightened is being iN TUNE with th Ancient CReator and HIM work.

Its interesting that Iman never found any individuals worthy of praise outside Africa, ain't refuting it. Research and education, and using your own mind is the judge.

Without having done in-depth research, non-African names jump out who have been reputed to be enlightened through history, Siddartha Gotama, The Dalai Lama, Paul the Apostle.
There have got to be other historical individuals in this vein.
What about guys like these?

For the record, the possibility is on the reasoning table that Jah never did give the POwer to any non-Africans througout history.
Kebo

PS  Pity the poor fool who believes George Bush is enlightened

Education!

Siddartha Gotama, The Dalai Lama, Paul the Apostle may be considered enlightened to others.  To I, they were not enlightened. They may have found much truths but they did not reveal anything to I that I did not already know. They did not reveal anything that could not be found in a better context within African values and development processes.

Posted by: Kebo
You clearly show that you didn't take the time to read my reasoning. Maybe its because you think I'm ignorant and have nothing intelligent to say. Whatever the reason, you're not obligated to reason genuinely with me.    


INDEED I'm not obligated to reason with you!
Your Caucasian mind fail to really study your people. You confessed yourself you are RACIST. White supremacy do not recognize TRUTH. How can I reason with Ignorance, Arrogance and DELUSION?! It is not a COINCIDENCE You too do not even recognize the Truth.  I do not hold any allusions about whites like you willing to help us or understand us. You may play off  credulous but not this Sister here!


Bantu-Kelani.

Bantu Kelani

You know as well as I, that you have no faith in white people.

If what you have found is true, Ayinde, then Africans have no business worshipping caucasian figures.

I myself truly dig Paul the Apostle, and how he states that the MYSTERY has been hidden since the foundation of the earth.
In other words, Jah has his own plan for the people, and Jah's been revealing the plan through history.

Its intriguing that you dont feel like you can learn anything from the Buddha. However, I wouldn't doubt that all the wisdom necessary for African enlightenment can be found in Africa.

As a white student of racial diplomacy, I appreciate all Africans who are ready to reason with the whites, in the name of future peace and equality between all races, if racial peace and equality is part of Jah plan.

Rastafari knows the way forward.

Kebo

 
This is your distortion. I never said this.


This is also your distortion.

I will go further and add that the basic essential truths that can lead to real enlightenment can be best found in indigenous African cultural values where they originated. Most of what I explain originated there and is relevant to all people.

Remember that humans spent the most time in Africa before all these different races evolved. You do not have a clue of the quantity of knowledge that was discerned back then and passed down through the generations. These stories became distorted with people as they evolved differently.


Is this a new label for some European rainbow gathering?


Is this your new divide and rule game where you only appreciate the Africans who are ready to reason with whites? You can appreciate as much as you want, but no one is obligated to reason with you as true development does not demand or necessitate this.

There is no equality between the races and no one should want to be equal to the people they feel/know contribute to and benefit from their oppression.

I choose to be equal to myself.

Giving thanks to Ayinde and Kelani

It's been a long day

Kebo

Something just occured to me
This is stone cold harsh reality we're living in
and the Africans on the board been revealing that the world is under a white supremacy rule, and that revelation is easy enough to see with the eye
true africans speak only the truth based on reality

and let me get to to the basis of this reasoning which was started by sister Kelani about breaking the Pyschological chains of slavery and Na'im Akbar's book

Africans on this board also talk about Black supremacy, and this concept wasn't really making sense to me, until I started really thinking about the present harsh conditions of the world, and the fact that its got to be a direct cause of who's in charge
I know I suffer everyday, and the less I run from it the more I can see the harsh reality stone cold in my face for what it is, and then there's millions of people out here in the world suffering, suffering from injustice, which seems to be increasing and getting more pervasive under capitalism and any other systems that are underway and being used by the people in supremacy, who are white
And then in the face of this endless series of harshness comes the hope man, and the hope is what this forum is all about as far as I'm concerned, rastafari, Africa, Africa is the hope of the world
If Africa had the power I can believe that the state of the world would not be like this, this style of world order would not be the way of African power, I can believe that if Africa had the supremacy the world would be under a righteous rule, earnestly working to heal the ills of the globe, and then re-building, developing, bringing on the creation
Give thanks to God for the hope in Africa
And what's stopping Africa from becoming the world power?
If its white supremacy stopping a righteous rule that I believe in, then what business would I have anymore being an asshole when Africans make good suggestions as to ways of empowering Africans and Africa?
Sister Kelani made a good, intelligent educated suggestion to Africans with this reasoning, suggesting another way forward to the development of Africa, which as far as I am beginning to see would in turn be for the benefit of the world
And given this increasing oppresive injustice thats happening, and painful conditions, stepping in the way of these kinds of positive suggestions really doesn't make any sense. A united Africa and black supremacy on the other hand are beginning to make alot more sense.

See Ayinde, if you hadn't replied
and shared your time, effort and vision
I would still be stuck with that ignorance that you shed your light on
And thats why I'm appealing for guidance
Cuz I don't want this ignorance, I want to see
Not just for my own edification, but so I can in turn be of real service to Jah people, and to overall development

You assisted this man see, what this man didn't was seeing.
And so did Kelani just by giving it out straight

Keepin' humble
Kebo

Kebo,

When people continually put themselves in positions to be humiliated it is because they are not really humble. Humility is really putting yourself in the right place/position to learn.

Here is a place to start:

I think a while back you said you bought some books. I usually find myself having to tell people to buy good books and to read them. How about after reading the books you bought you write reviews on them.  This is a good way to start contributing.

Ayinde

Even though I speak out and do my best to say what I feel, I still feel ready to listen and learn.

Are you suggesting that everything I say on this board is ignorant and humiliating?

I really don't know what to say, Ayinde, I'm still a guest on this rasta board and I don't want to take away from solid reasoning and progress. At the same time I feel that one of the best ways for students to learn is by participating. I'm still open to get to what you're telling me, I don't fully get it yet.

Kebo

To He that hath ears...let him listen..... learn and grow......."Silence is sometimes Golden"..