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For those who believe in a second coming of a saviour such as Jesus, when exactly is the appropriate time for him to come back?  

The only way you will find out is through astrology, look to the stars and you will find out if a king or prophet or an elder has been born.

In EXODUS 1:22, it states that the day mosses was born, pharaohs astrologers told him a great Jewish messiah had been born.

In Mathew 2:1 the birth of Jesus the saviour of the Jews or Israelites    

Astrology is as consistent as Nostradamus' predictions. The meaning is reserved to the interpreter.
I guess that belief that a saviour is coming is soothing to some. Christians and the like have been waiting for her/him a long time. How bad does it have to get before she /he arrives?  

Hotep brother

I thought you were looking for a saviour so I just pointed out a way for you to find him or her. I am a Bantu and I do not believe in anybody saving me or my people but my self and my people. What I believe is every society or countries or race needs a leader, not just in times of need but also in times of peace. Leaders exist because people exist and people exist because leaders exist, every society or nation or race is formed like a pyramid, with the great leaders at the top and other leaders holding their respectable positions some where in that pyramid. It is the same with our race in times on need we have souls who reincarnate to give people right knowledge and over standing. I also believe in prophecies and that some of the pharaohs in ancient egypt where deitys in flesh. There was a man from my country who prophesised our independents would be gained in 1960. Lumumba at the age of 7 use to tell his class mate that he was born only to liberate the kongo, he was also a genius who could not be thought anything in his class because he knew more then the teacher at the age 7.
I can not force my believes into anybody I can only try to explain and hope that they will ask questions.

Did christ even speak of his second coming in the bible or did he promise that the most high will send another?

Some Christians and Jews are waiting on a Messiah.

Some Muslims are waiting on the Mahdi.


Me personally....I'm not waiting on anyone because I can die at any time and them coming next week or next year wouldn't do me any good.

Jesus never promised anyone he will be coming back to save the world it’s physically impossible for him to do so his never coming back again. When people of a nation forget who they where they come from like Nubians right now, they will have one of their own ancestor reincarnate to restore things to how they suppose to be structured within that nation with the help of the deities.

Everything that everyone  said on this subject is some bulls**t!!! The savior did say he was coming back for the lost tribe of Israel and anyone that was down with the heavenly father's laws and teachings! just look it up in the book of matt. and rev.! yall acting like the bible don't exist!! One cat on there talkin about look up astrology.( Thats exactly what your NOT suppose to do !!)According to the word, the study of astrology is wicked teachings, pass down from alchemist who sought the devil for this infomation! Just remember what the serpent told Eve in the garden: Eat from this tree and you will be like god , knowing all things, good and evil. For anyone who is reading this,PLEASE DON'T LISTEN TO THAT DUDE

“. . . And he (the serpent) said unto the woman . . .” There are no species of snake that can speak, and no species of reptile have a larynx. In order to hold a conversation, and don’t say the heavenly father gave him or it that power, just to beguile (trick) Nekaybaw (Eve) against his own commandments.

But you can see for yourself; that the good word is only as good as your personal interptretation. You've done it yourself, Yisrayl.
I have read the passage that condemns reading the stars; but i have also read the rest of the good book, and there is no alchemist making deals with the devil.

I have also met the Maji, who crossed the lands from the east; simply beacause they believed a star would lead them to the messiah.
Are these the fausts you were talking about?

The second coming is preceded by the ascension, and at that moment, men are told that he will return the way he came.
So it is wise to assume that while you wait, keep your eyes on the sky.


IN DEFENSE OF ASTRONOMY.

For horus, its called free will!What you said is exactly what happened. You chose to sin or not to sin! For you to say that none of that ever took place, your calling the Word of God a lie! and I know that can't be the case(all of it is in GEN 3).And to my man sieger, I never said anything about alchemist being in the bible. That information comes from history lessons on the babylonian captivity of the children of israel. Babylon dealt heavily with witchcraft and astrology(they sought no one else but satan, they called it sun worship)!and secondly if you read the goodbook you would have came across matt 24 : 29 - 30 and it states: THE SUN SHALL BE DARKENDED AND THE MOON SHALL GIVE NO LIGHT, AND THE STARS SHALL FALL FROM HEAVEN, AND THE POWERS OF THE HEAVENS SHALL BE SHAKEN:
verse 30:AND THEN SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: AND THEN ALL OF THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH MOURN: AND THEY WILL SEE THE SUN OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY. So all I'm saying is you don't need to watch the sky to notice all of that going down. So yes brothers astrology is not of the Savior or the MOST HIGH!        SHALOM to you both

perhaps i am misunderstanding you.

But the way i get it, you will frown upon the stars, the sun and moon, and hope that on the day a muse holds you, and you look to the sky, you will see the pale face of your Lord.
Your belief is your faith, i am not a judge.

But i am an African. And to me, the stars and all heavenly lights are important. I was taught the pride of my tribe under those lights. The stars and their movemants hold a lot for me.
So, on that day of judgement; I will speak in defense of them, that watched over me.
Unike you, my faith is my belief.

p.s- you seem well versed in the book; but if you knew (or accepted) a little more about its history, you'll find that it too, conforms to sun worship.

for one show me the book and verse where sun worship conforms to the beatiful word of YAHWEH!(thats false!!!!!!!!!!!!) and by the way you said your faith is in your beliief. Well brother my faith is in whats real! Not to say what ur saying is not real. Im Hebrew!! I follow the will of the almighty,never a star. I worship the creator, never the creation!!But neither am I a judge, I think we speak on different subjects son of Ham. I speak on those who look for planets, the sun and moon for ansewers(astrology),  the Most high boldly spoke: SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM:So to me a star CANNOT help our salvation.
                 shalom son of ham

Christians claim that heaven is further than the furthest star, and that is where Jesus went with his father to prepare a place for you, right. Remember, John 14:2 “In my father's house are many mansions...I go to prepare a place for you.” However, if you look at the possibility of Jesus coming back from a scientific point of view, the furthest star away from Earth is billions of light years away. Therefore, in actuality, Jesus still didn't get to heaven. There's no way he could be on his way back.

To answer the VERY FIRST post I know for those who believe in the second coming of Jesus (i.e. Christians, Catholics..) it's actually referenced in the bible, According to Matthew 24:35-36, Jesus said that no one knows the exact date and time of the end of the world: "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. "  If you read Mark 13:32: "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven , neither the Son, but the Father."  However it does speak of numerous signs, (i.e. natural disasters), that should give people a "heads up" to repent

i digress....

allow me to leave with this said,....

rev 22:16 ".... i am the bright and morning star...."

go figure.
I was looking for reason, not argument

No arguement here brother.When he speaks on the morning star its a comparison to the brightest light! If you want reason, read Deut 17:3 - AND THEY HAVE GONE AND SERVED OTHER GODS AND WORSHIPPED THEM, EITHER SUN, OR THE MOON, OR ANY HOST OF HEAVEN, WHICH I HAVE NOT COMMANDED. And if you keep reading through verse 5 you will see what the heavenly father suggests what should happen to these people of Deut. 17:3.( Now remember these are not my words, but words of the MOST HIGH!)          SHALOM

P.S Sincerely, I'm not here to argue with you brother, the only reasoning I can find is through the scriptures because thats where I get ansewers. I 'm starting to believe through our replies there was a misunderstanding. I'm all about understanding over arguing( prov.4:7). And I'm also all about 1 Thes.5:21- PROVE ALL THINGS; HOLD FAST TO WHICH IS GOOD! 

In spite of what the Christians preach, if the Messiah Jesus was to return today, in the image that he is portrayed, he would not be accepted by the masses of the people.
They have depicted him as a Caucasian revolutionary middle-aged man dressed in hippie clothes, talking about love and peace for everyone. People would consider him as being crazy (as they said about the hippies of the 60’s) or try to kill him because he would be a threat to the devil’s economic success.
Money is the concern at hand, not the salvation of your soul.

Actually, in the 2nd coming, he will be coming to judge the living and the dead, not preach to anyone, his second coming is judgment day, or the "apocalypse" so I really dont think they would have an option of killing him

 The end of the world has nothing to do with religion, but it does have to do with you and what you do from this point on. Do you really think that Jesus, or the Messiah, or whoever you are waiting for is coming for you or anybody else with the world in the state it’s in? And you haven’t changed. You still want any and everything that makes life more convenient which if the Messiah was to come with a New World, a New Jerusalem, it would eventually end up the same way because it happened before. And, each time they try it ends up even worse then before.

Point taken, but if you look at it from a Christian/Catholic point of view, when you say:
 "...if the Messiah was to come with a New World, a New Jerusalem, it would eventually end up the same way because it happened before. And, each time they try it ends up even worse then before."

They don't believe that, because once that "New World/New Jerusalem comes there would be no more sin.. it's like we all go to heaven, and live the way we first intended to live, but this blessings only applies to those who have lived a good life in the eyes of the creator now here on earth prior to the armageddon...

Are the mansions in heaven that the righteous are to live in similar to those here on Earth? (John 14:2)

so im sorry to bring it up again. But I was going through some of these and i noticed or recalled Yabesh' attempts at ridicule. It is sad that i dont remember why i did not bother with them at the time. Maybe i was feeling stronger.

Son of Ham?
I know of no Ham. This is something that the devil wrought, this concept that the son who saw Noah's nakedness goes on to sire the African.
Afterall does the Good Book not say that Ham's kid will serve?
I imagine that the learned Hebrew that Yabesh was quoted some nefarious source, a hallmark of the lullabies (probably) whispered to little white kids by night, when they asked parents who did not know better why all the slaves in town were black.

But Yabesh refers to me as Son of Ham not just once, so clearly there are some feel-good hormones going round.
*Wait, thats why i did not respond in the first place. The remark was meant to solicit such a response. I see.

I know of no Ham. But the one you seek is called Canaan.