Africa Speaks Reasoning Forum

Greetings Ones,

Studying the reasonings here about white Rastas, and how black Rastas see them, and what are their whole in Rasta, i have noted (please correct me if I'm wrong):

1- Rasta is a black liberation movement, that sees that after reorganizing things with the family (blacks) can look to more Iniversal topics.

2- White Rastas can be welcomed if they can show they want to use their skills in this trod, knowing that from this depends a global destiny, by the contriobution that black people can give to the world and are still unable to do in a bigger scale because are still reorganizing themselves and are coming from the bottom to the top, wich takes a time process of striving for transformations.

3- White Rastas (or whatever non-african "color") should not forget they are not leaders (teachers) here, but students, as they are observing other people's process.

4- This can be good to white people, if this process can show them something they probably never gave much attention as this was not affecting them directly. This is fundamental in the process of people's mentality globally towards life.

5- Rasta can eventually be the an enormous African contribution to a better life in the planet. Giving another example and perspective, leaving such decadent ocidental (acidental) examples...stilling the future of life. This however, will be a consequence of of "Africa for Africans" first.

6- So, Rasta can eventually became an example of a normal and original and reformating lifestyle to be lived and loved by all people.

Sorry if I was not very clear and please deep my perception of reality!!!

Guidance,

Mandingo.

Mandingo,
can the I show I and I where the different points the I just made are supported by either the Kebra Nagast, the Holy Bible, or the words of His Imperial Majesty?

Wayne,

I don't know if you can find this points in the Ible, in the Kebra Nagast or in H.I.M. speaches.

I'm sharing what I have noticeced on what people have reasoned here at Rastafari Speaks. I have noticed arguements, positions and reactions.

Actually, the reason why I'm sharing this views is in hope that people can help me deeping and/or correcting it.

This post is like a homework I'm presenting on what I have studied here.

However, I can see the reson why you're asking about this references from the Ible, Kebra Nagast or H.I.M. but are they alone the foundation of Rasta? Did you check Rootswoman post regarding Ancient Milenar Rasta in Egypt?

Give thanks for your post Wayne,

If you can share more please do.

Blessings,

Mandingo.

Yes
Eu creio sem dubido que issos sao mais importantes que qualqueiras outras escrituras porque as outras sao so filosofias e opinioes. Sim essas 3 sao a fundacao, outros libros sao quartos e pilares mais essas 3 sao a fundacao.  

Wayne,

Eu entendo o que voçê está dizendo...qual a fundação do Rastafari? Será que voçê pode me indicar alguma relação entre o que eu falei e as leituras fundamentais Rastafari? Eu não me lembro de nenhuma relação direta entre a percepção que indiquei e as leitura fundamentais da Bíblia, do Kebra Nagast ou de H.I.M. para fundamentar para voçê.

Como eu disse, esta é uma questão que eu estou levantando baseada nos recentes diálogos aqui no Rastafari Speaks sobre Brancos Rastas e qual seria o papel deles num movimento negro. Voçê pode procurar alguns deles aqui mesmo no Reasoning Forum, sobre qual o papel dos Rastas brancos. O que eu tornei público foi minha reação/percepção a leitura e meditação sobre os mesmos.

Respeito para voçê e obrigado pelo diálogo em português. Onde voçê aprendeu português? Ou voçê usou um tradutor da internet? De qualquer forma, agradecido pela atenção de usar meu idioma original para dialogar comigo.

Estou aqui agora e sempre para dialogar,

Seu irmão brasileiro,

Mandingo.

Sua 1eira premisa

1-"Rasta is a Black Liberation Movement" E que e um movimento popular ou um movimento divino? Eu nao creio 'vox populi vox dei' , como disso meu velho professor 'the voice of the people is the voice of a lynch mob'. Sem a guianca da biblia e sua majestade, Rasta e a mesma anarquia como Babylon.

Respondindo a suas preguntas. Eu aprendi duma menina que eu sabia em highschool e tambem de escutando a Samba. Quando ja mora numa cultura bilingue nao e dificil aprender um  tercer linguagem. Eu sei que tenho muitos hispanicismos no meu portugues e que nao sei escriver  as cedilhas e tudo.

agradecido por suas colocações Wayne ;)

Vou considerar e ponderar.

Mandingo.

You certainly are sharing important Knowledge Kings. Could you share it with the Rastafarian family on this board in English? I personally would very much appreciate.

SisKelani-

Greetings Sis,

You're right.

Please, use the translator availible at the open rastafari board, for this one, and I'll continue in english from now on. Just copy the part you want translated to the box of translation and then read it.

had no intention of keeping ones out of the reasoning, english is the language here in this house.

Mandingo.  

Greetins Bredren n Sistren......

InI newbie to these boards...and currently member to other boards wit other organizations......

InI am shocked @ the issues of "race" here.....InI have never come pon a board like this......InI overstand all points made here and Raspect dem 2 da fullest (agree and disagree wit some).....

Has deh I's lost sight of what Rastfari stands for????? What I suppose to do in order to uplift and bring forth Rasta to deh masses on a positve note????????  Don't deh I's feel dat I struggle enough wit deh babylonian system since this is where the real ignorance dwells???????

In deh particular House that InI follow.....I issues are not so much on "race" but what I can do to make deh House stronger and continue to let Positive vibes circulate.......yes....to Reason is good for deh I's as it brings many thoughts together......but then there is also deh point where some of deh I's cross that it gets out of hand.......

InI do not intend to offend any1...but InI jus wan to share what InI seein here.....

1Love!
Sis Lioness   :)

Yes, Dreadedlioness, I !

I n I also feel shocked by the race thing going on here.  I come from other message boards that wouldn't go dere.  Maybe we should do some serious reasoning here and try to change up the vibes a little, seen?

Blessings  ;)

There are some that think that the issues of race must just be white washed and not dealt with or reasoned with in a meaningful manner. In doing so they ignore the reality of white supremacy and white privelage that Blacks have to face day in, day out. Black consciousness is an integral part of RAstafari and must not be divorced from Rastafari.

The Babylon sytem is not just some abstract concept, it is controlled by persons who often can be identified.

Rastafari stands for truth and justice and this can't be achieved by hiding behind the banner of one love. The paradox of this existence is that in the sense that we are all divine creations we are equal but on the other hand due to circumstancial factors and experiences we are very diverse and unequal. Those that are shocked at discussions on race are often those who harbour a lot of subtle grains of white supremacy within. They remind me of a lot of people who protested against the invasion of Iraq. They felt personally threatened. They protested they said because they wanted peace and peace to them was the continued existence of oppression, racism, sexism and white supremacy. Their limited idea of peace is no violence. But peace is  far far far more than a lack of violence.

Greetings and Blessings,

First, I would like to say that I address everyone here with the utmost respect.  I intend no disrespect to anyone.

Having said that, let me say that I AM shocked by the amount of raciscm going on here.  How can you define yourselves as Rasta, when some of your posts are oozing with hatred?  I certainly don't want to "hide behind the banner of one love", and I don't think that everyone is treated equally.  There is nothing wrong with being pro-black, but you don't have to be anti-white to be pro-black !  That kind of linear thinking is not something I would expect from a high-powered black mind.  

How can some of you say "InI", yet you seem to not overstand the whole concept of the God within?  If you did have an overstanding of these things you wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement on other righteous, Rasta Idren.  If the people you speak of have personally done something to opress you, then speak of those facts, but short of that, JUDGE NOT.

I, too, get a little bit sick of seeing young (or old) white hippies speaking Iyaric or slaughtering patois, attending every reggae concert that passes through their town so that they can use it as an excuse to smoke some herb and look cool in front of their friends.  I still don't pass judgement though because I know that the person I am looking at that looks like they fit that description may actually be someone who posseses far more knowledge and wisdom than I, maybe conducts himself in a manner far more righteous than I, or is maybe more spiritually grounded than I. Who am I to judge?

At the same time, there are countless number of black people sporting dreadlocks and wearing Bob Marley T-Shirts saying Rastafari, that really couldn't even tell you the first thing about the bible, HIM, Marcus Garvey, or even in which part of Africa Ithiopia is located.  I wouldn't pass judgement on them either.

Know yourselves and stop concerning yourselves with who is or isn't allowed to consider themselves Rasta.  

Envy not the opressor, choose none of his ways
      Be not wise in his own eyes
      Only Jah you must praise
      Strife not with a man without cause
      If he has done you no harm
      Let bygones be bygones
                         - Buju Banton

Love and Blessings  :-*

'let bygones be bygones.' Is a BLACK MAN sayin that.
How we going to sight Rasta and look at race as a diversion from the mainline of the teaching?
you do NOT let bygones be bygones by thinking it is beneath you to discuss the issues, beloved one.
You have apparently been called here to this teachment for a reason. Ones must have the courage to go all the way if them want what they say they want, for themselves and for the world.
'One day things must get better.'
It is these reasoing that make it SO.
If WE here cannot build bridges NOW, HERE, what hope is there?
Coming to truth on race is central to 'spiritual development', not an unfortunate detour.
And please I beg you let's get our terms straight: unless black people took over the institutions and structures of the world last night while I was sleepin and I don't know it yet,  accusing black people of 'racism' is inappropriate.
Love. Love. Love. No joke business, seen? This isn't some liberal lazy middle class American trip. Before we start throwing that term around so freely, we need to have an appreciation for what is involved to manifest in the FULLNESS. I have been guilty of this myself in the past so I know what I'm talking about. This is reality, and the world hangs in the balance, don't doubt. It hurts sometimes to listen to the black idrens here speaking out of their truth and their experience of whites. But if we are going to come here and try to 'lift up the vibes' (!) and once AGAIN DENY the reality of the lived lives of our black idrens, how are we any different from the worst whites in the ghastly history of the last 2000 years?
rootsie

WELL SAID EMPRESS ROOTSIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have decided to quietly observe these reasonings, least I begin to scorch some of these racist principles with PURE BLOOD FIYAH.

ROOTS

" 'let bygones be bygones.' Is a BLACK MAN sayin that.
How we going to sight Rasta and look at race as a diversion from the mainline of the teaching?
you do NOT let bygones be bygones by thinking it is beneath you to discuss the issues, beloved one. "

I know it is a BLACK MAN saying that, and I happen to know that very same black man rather well.  I even happen to have reasoned with that very same black man not too long ago about the very same lyrics, alongside some other friends of both of ours.  I want you to overstand the purpose of me quoting Buju here.  It was not so much the line " let bygones be bygones"  but rather the line "strife not with a man without cause, if he has done you no harm...".  What do you take from that ?  The point I was trying to make was that there is so much to be done here,  let us work (together) to change the very same bleak reality that you speak of NOW.  I don't know about you, but I do not have excess energy to waste on pointing fingers at people who have not personally done me harm.  My energy must be devoted to trying to make things a little more equal and not quite so unjust.  If all of us did this together then perhaps we could make some progress, seen?

"unless black people took over the institutions and structures of the world last night while I was sleepin and I don't know it yet,  accusing black people of 'racism' is inappropriate. "


I am quite sure that this did not happen.  Let us discuss who it is that controls those institutions and structures in this country.  It is a select group of white males, each one of them with more money in their "petty cash funds" than most of us will earn in a lifetime.  I hardly think it is fair to say that they represent all whites.  That would be like saying that Osama Bin Laden represents all brown skinned peoples, or all Muslims.

All I'm saying is that if a white person comes to this forum and wants to reason, lets not automatically assume that he or she is not worthy to do so because of the color of his or her skin.  Let us reason with everyone with an open mind and an open heart. I haven't seen anyone here complain about hearing anyone speak of their PERSONAL experiences and truths regarding whites.  If we have some of those negative PERSONAL experiences, let's talk about them and if the whites are so uncomfortable with it they will either leave this forum of have to address those individual issues.  Then it will make for good reasoning.

For the record, I feel that I do have the courage to "go all the way"  because I do want what I say I want.  Let me ask you this though, have you formulated a picture of me in your mind?  It sounds to me from this statement that you have assumed that I am white.  Think about it sistren......

Love, Blessings and Raspect  ;)

I have yet sighted any Afrikan Rasta jump to conclusion just due to the color (or lack of) one's skin.  It is the all to often EUROCENTRIC ATTITUDES that InI chant down.  Whether it comes from a white "rasta", or a MANUFACTURED NEGRO-SAXON.  It is the MINDSET that will get chanted down, whether dressed up in white "robes" or black ones.


All too often, the HISTORICAL PATTERN of the European ASILI (seed) is displayed, covertly or overtly, disguised in all kinda tings...be it the straight out IGNORANCE laced with ARROGANCE, or the fact they many (not all) think they can DEFINE the Afrikan Experience and History to InI.  All too often white folx come into an AFRIKAN "VILLAGE" (movement, religion, community), and due to an all too pervasive INGRAINED feeling of SUPERIORITY, come to once again MISDEFINE us...or worse; so-call "TEACH" us about ourselves.

That will get CHANTED DOWN WITHOUT APOLOGY EACH AND EVERYTIME.

"Until the lion tells his side of the story, the tale of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.".

ROOTS

Greetings!

If you don't mind, I'll take your points from last to first.   Yes indeed I did not bomb Iraq, and I am not Halliburton or a Hapsburg banker. But as a white person in America whether I like it or not I benefit from the white supremacist system. So it is not about my personal complicity in a rotten system, but to say as you did in so many words, because I am one of the 'good guys', please don't put that sh** on me...it's dishonest. A denial of people's daily lived reality.
    If this were all in the past that would be one thing, but it's not. I do not think reasonable people come here and are discouraged from reasoning.   I wasn't and neither were many others, but I can well imagine how frustrating it must be to be a black person  and having white people come denying black reality, and WORSE, demanding that it is black people's job to somewhow make it all nice nice and make them feel better. Coming with the 'higher argument.' Most here are not fools, and they KNOW the 'higher' argument. Anger is expressed here. And historical and present pain. This is the situation. And trying to stop a conversation by saying we must work together and do...well first we all have to come to one overstanding before anything can be done. So in reality this IS part of the doing. And if white people are unwilling to listen to certain things, and look deep into themselves and check their assumptions, no progress at all can be made.
    "A little more equal and not quite so unjust"??? That is to understate what our responsibility is here. Brighten the corner where you are well of course, but this is movement of JAH people!   Great forces are at work, and like I said the 'hey I'm one of the good guys' just does not cut it if we want what we say we want, which is New Heaven and New Earth!
    The pain people feel is reinforced by their personal experience, but is not the beginning and end of it! 2000 years of systematic oppression and silencing. It's about Context, and I feel you have it wrong. People aren't just speaking out of their personal  hurt, that is to dismiss the importance of what is taking place here, and the serious efforts being made by this website to bring on the change.
    Who's to say what does and what does not harm another. The truly diabolical thing is that by my very existence a white American I am indirectly harming others all over the world EVERY day?  Whose job is it to address this? I say it is mine.
    You know what Bob say,what they say in JA: 'me throw me corn me no call no fowl.' If ones are offended then so be it. Could be they have some growing to do right there, and so they feel it.
    Buju is a dearly beloved inspirator of mine. How blessed for you to reason with him. This internet has its downside. Face to face we would be able to see each other more real, and discern intentions.
    Yes sis/bredren I did assume you are white! I am also feeling that you are a man, but I am a 'manly' reasoner myself!  You are black?  I'm surprised, for you surely do sound like many of the white folks who come around here, but hey, that's just an assumption, or presumption, whatever...

Regards,
rootsie

Rasta is Africa, One roots come from Creation, InI soul beyond color, all people black from creation so how could people change color, all people black people InI is just one people, white wash mind frame come from mental chainz just designed by devils to seperate InI one people, some people think there white or black or indian or chinese or just mix up, but we god people without true difference.

love peace guidence RASTAFARI

IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DISCUSS THE POINT OF VIEWS OF RASTAS WHEN IT COMES TO BLACK/ WHITE. IN MY OPINION I TRY NOT TO LOOK AT PEOPLE FOR THEIR COLOR.  IF YOU ACCEPT AND BELIEVE RASTA IN YOUR HEART YOUR WELCOME. WHITE RASTAS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL CONCEPT OF RASTA. I HOPE I DONT OFFEND ANY ONE, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THEY WILL NEVER HAVE THE SAME PASSION AS A TRUE AFRICAN RASTA WOULD. IT'S IN OUR BLOOD TO FIGHT THREW THE STRUGGLES AND LET OUR COLOR SHOW THREW OUR KNOWLEDGE. JAH CHILDREN THAT'S WHAT WE ARE AS ONE I AND I. SOME INDIVIDUALS BECOME UPSET WHEN THEY SEE A WHITE RASTA WITH THEIR LOCKS AND SMOKING GANJA. THEY MUST NOT ABUSE THE PRIVILEGE. INDIVIDUALS SEE THE WHITE RACE AS" TRING TO HARD TO BECOME APART OF OUR STRUGGLE".  

  ONCE AGAIN THIS IS NOT ABOUT COLOR.

there is no white africa just black ethopia for all rasta. natural livethy is everyman gift; neva judge apperances JAH know all things best

love peace guidence RASTAFARI

Hello, I'm not sure if I am 'qualified' to say anything about this topic but I would like to say what I feel.
Yes I am a white man, I do not have a 'Dread' apperance to me. I do not dress African. I have lived in California my whole life. The views that Rastafarians have on life are or they feel like the same views I have and that I am teaching my children. Everyone is different and this is a good thing. Positive! I teach my children to be Positive and Love. I teach them NOT to Judge people by the way they dress or the color of their skin, none of this matters to me. I have no religon that I follow or prase except for my own self belief and morality. I am trying to understand Rasta because of my True Love for Bob Marley's music and what he was fighting for! I hope that I am not barging in here? I do belive the History of Babylon is the root of Negativity. Chant down Babylon! Me say yes! I do not agree with the way the world is but I am just a man born and raised a white man. I cannot control were I came from but only were I am going and wich direction I point my children in. Family is all I have and Bob's music is my spiritial connection with my inner self. For many many years now I have been listening to Bob's music and he is my massiah...

ENGLISH !!!!!!!!!

ALL THE TALK OF AFRICA......QUESTION ?

DO ANY OF YOU SPEAK AN AFRICAN LANG?


ENGLISH IS WHITE MAN THING
DO YOU ALL WEAR AFRICAN CLOTHES ALL DAY LONG..I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT YOU ALL DONT WEAR JEANS...

ENGLISH !!! LORD HAVE MERCY...THEY BEG FOR THE WHITE MAN LANG

NO I AM NOT WHITE...IF YOU WANTED TO KNOW...

COME ON NOW..PEOPLE.....

I speak an African language, Kriolu from the Cape Verdean islands. Its African language with a European base, Portuguese. Even though most of the vocabular is straight Portuguese it sounds completely African when spoken.

I learned Kriolu while I was teaching English to students as a Peace Corps volunteer. Quite frankly there were alot of times when i felt guilty teaching kids a language which was supposed to be internationally superior but which didnt phonically equal the groove and sounds of Kriolu.

On another note, Cape Verde is an African country which struggles with its identity. The country's populated by Africans but you hear alot of citizens say that they are a European nation. Their history is kinda jumbled cuz the islands were discovered first by the Portuguese then used as a holding spot for slave transportation and the slaves became the lasting population, at the end of the day every citizen you see is African, you can just tell. Its in the language, its in the vibe and culture, its in the heart.

Kebo

Kebo,

Eu sou brasileiro. Muito me interessa a história de Cabo Verde. Inclusive existem vôos diretos de Fortaleza (600km de onde vivo em Recife) e Cabo Verde. Recife se localiza na costa nordeste do Brasil.

Gostaria de poder ouvir sua voz agora para identificar o amável sotaque Cabo Verdense.

Amor e Respeito,

Mandingo.

Oi Ras mandingo, Bon dia amigu,

Tudu bon? Abo e Brasilieru? Abo ta falla Portugues, claru. Kriolu e sima Portugues, Kriolu e um mixtura di Portugues y algumes lingus Afrikanu. E dificil di skrebi Kriolu pamodi povu Cabo Verdeanu es ta papia Kriolu ma es ka ta skrebi inda. Si algens ta skrebi es ta usa Portugues, Portugues e lingu officiel di pais, ma Kriolu e sempre lingu di povu. Fika fiche.

Kebo