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Here are some of the interesting things about the Bible and Egypt.

1. The temples in the Bible found in the old testament are exact copies of Egyptian temples.

2. Egyptians are given the birth right of the Jews. (1 chronicles chapter 5 verse 1)

3. In the Bible, Egyptians are also called: "My people" by God.

4. In the Bible, there was an prophecy about Egyptians and Ethiopians being taken out naked as slaves of the Assyrians (arabs).

5. In the Bible there is an prophecy that says the Egyptians will be returned to their lands.

6. Egyptians are to be welcomed into the Camp of God. God forbids the Israelites from keeping the Egyptians out of the Camp but says they must keep others out forever.

7. The Bible also prophecises that the Egyptians would turn one against another. Who can deny that this has not come true?


There are also many minor historical facts concerning Egypt and the Bible which I have not went into.

What do Christians or others think about these connections of Egyptians and the Bible?

What are you really asking X-tian?

Preach,

Most of the above information is not available to African Christians. We hear many teachings about "Egypt being the world" and "Israel being God's".

I was hoping to talk about the fact that we live in an society that has distorted through Christianity, Egypt into everything that is bad, and has not looked at what the bible really says about Egypt.

Not many Christians understand for instance that it was the Egyptian sons of Joseph who were given the birthright of Israel.

1Ch 5:1-2 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.  For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)

Sometimes you hear many talk about the fact that: Black people are the real Jews. Or the real children of God.

Not many African Christians realize that while the idea is preposterous often times as it is presented. That is one 'wives tales' that has some biblical basis.

Egyptians did in fact inherit as the firstborn.

I was hoping to discuss these facts.

Hotep

Todays so-called Egypt is a name given by the Greeks, and is not the name "We" called our selves. KMT or Kemet is one of the names we called our selves, before the over run by the northern indoeuropean tribes finaly distroyed and took over what is now called Egypt. KMT was and still is the Center of the world today, the European Grave Robbers calling them selves Archiologist have been plundering and desecrating the resting tombs of our Ancestors for more than 3,500 years to find not only Gold, but to find the secrets that made so-called Egypt the Mother of All Civilizations in the West.  One of the first big mistakes was to trust these srange so-called white people who were first seen wearing Animal hides and smelling of a very foul oder, some with red and blond hair and were not civilized but acted as wild beast. They would attack the outer smaller so-called African villages at first, killing the Black Men, Children and Rapeing the Black Women  as excaping messengers would sound alarms to the athorities in then KMT, commonly called Egypt today. These accounts are well documented by the so-called African Ancestors in the remaining Temples and Lodges controled by the same Invaders today who have succeded in taking over the African home land. At first these wild white people were easily crushed and routed back to ware they came, but they still would keep coming over and over after the taste of Blood and Riches of the Rich African Nile valley and other areas.  All of the so-called Prophets or High Prist of the Western world are African with out exception, Initiated in the Spirituality or Kemetic Mysteries.  This is why it is known today that the (3) three major Religions..Jewdaism, Christianity and Islam are products of these Schools, meaning, they all are copies and pleagerisms of the ancient African Mystery Systems in KMT.  Later in histery the "Wars" continued for thousands of years, as the wild Europeans contact with the so called Egyptians tought them how to fight and stick together in organized numbers yealding them greater and greater Booty and advantage from the kidnaped and stolen spoiles of war became more and more of a motivation for them to not relent until the area now controled by (Indoeuropeans) them today.  According to the story or myth, a group of strangers (Hyksos) entered into so-called Egypt numbering about 96, from Eu or Iraq, their leader was called Abram, however after successfuly entering the Black land and taking up residence his name was changed to Abra-ham, Abraham or Abrahim. When the Africans and White tribes started to mix and produce children, the offspring has a serious delima,...who to be loyal to, the Black or the White and this caused major conflicts as the Invasions continued unrelenting until the Hyksos as Abraham and his people were called were removed and kicked out across the desert to Arabia by the leadership of Egypt, and Moses or Musa was given the job of expelling these trubelsum whites and all who were sympathitic to them,...out accross the desert away from the Origenal People, who wanted to live in peace. As the Different (Cacuasin) tribes kept invading until the Romans under Alexander the Barbarion finaly took Egypt, and the Arabs came back and took it from the Romans and are there today calling them self Egyptians.  The Europian Distortions of the Truth is still going on untill this very day as we see National Geographic showing the so-called boy King Tutankamen as white as the Pope of Rome. At the very same time the larger population of Kemetins or Africans retreated farther and deeper into the interior of the continent to excape the invading indoeuropean types who continued to Rape, Rob and Murder the (African) Origenal People.  Other areas grew up as Egypt declined such as Ghana and others,...Along with them,...was taken the Ancient Mysteries that are still kept as a secret today. The invations still continued until the Arabs, Portuges Jews and other Europeans,...with the slave trade kidnaped 10's of millions of the Origenal People and sold them into the Slave Trade in the Americas and other European nations ware they are "Still" to this day "Striped" of their names, Spirituality, culture, Language, knowledge of them self and called Negros today,...Forced fed False Religions of the white man and worshiping the white false G-d's under the Pope of Rome. Today the so-called Negros don't know who they  are, but are now beginning to Wake Up and this is causing the west to implode from the inside out as the so-called African is now demanding Freedom, Justice and Equality, "Hue-Man Rights" and self Determination to take their proper place in the Earth. We are giving back to the white man all of their False Docterins, Distortions of History ware the whites have stolen the legacy of the Origenal Man and Woman and put them self in the Africans place as the imposters are doing all over the world and in so-called Egypt to this day.  Africa will re-unite soon under the United States of Africa and as the Dravidians of India aline them selves with the struggles of the Africans in America, they will follow suit to their justified self determination.  When the Afrecan in America is Free, every one will be Free.

Ase`

http://www.antislavery.org/breakingthesilence/slave_routes/slave_routes_spain.shtml

 http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/nubians2.html

 http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/blshang.htm

http://www.nbufront.org/html/MastersMuseums/DocBen/BibleChrono.html

http://www.theearthcenter.com/

Many of the stories told in the bible have their origins in Egypt or various places in Northern Africa.   It is no coincidence that many of the biblical patriarchs from Abraham, Moses, Joseph, to Jesus... all spend a major part of their lifetimes in Egypt(according to the bible).  The European and Asian parts of the world were not as advanced or civilized as Africa was during those times, so they had to learn somewhere.  Unfortunately, they corrupted these stories by stealing them and making them their own.

MuddyRivers I would also like to discuss facts. Do you know that Heru/Adam/Ausar/Osiris is really one person?

Osiris is the greek name for Ausar and Heru(Horus greek version) is Ausar/Osiris's son.  Adam is the first person created in Biblical mythology, just as Ausar was created simultaneously with Aset in African Spirituality.

I'd like to learn more about this, but I believe all of the characters are mythological.  I believe that the origins of Ausar, Aset, and Heru were the earliest way of telling a creation story in Africa.  The greeks came along learned the stories and changed the names, and I believe Biblical patriarchs or Europeans Jews learned of the stories the same way and changed the name of the original man to Adam.  I remember reading somewhere there is a jewish word that closely resembles 'adam' and that's where they got the name from?

Insight?

Horus is indeed Heru's son his name is heru-pa-khart. Have a look at this.


The Hehu

Now that we've had a look at the Akhu and Sahu that make up the soul, let us take a look at the Hehu, which links the soul to the Pure and Perfect Mind of God and the Creation of the Universe until they all become one and the same. Remember 'He' means infinite, unlimited, and 'Hu' is a finite form of the infinite 'He'. The mental darkness that surrounded the Mind of God in the beginning of Creation was full of spiritual (or mental) ignorance and death, which we can call the Power of Darkness. Thus the Power of Darkness posed a threat to the infinite potential of the Mind and its eternal life. In order for the Mind of God to live forever and never die, the Power of Darkness had to be conquered and destroyed. Creation was therefore designed to produce an arena wherein the needed victory over the Power of Darkness could be won. Since each soul was a component of the Mind of God in the beginning of Creation, each soul would be given the responsibility of conquering and destroying the Power of Darkness in its own portion of the darkness that surrounded the Mind of God in the beginning of Creation. Therefore, when each soul physically and naturally takes on its on portion of that darkness, it does so by taking on a human body, which is full of spiritual ignorance and death that makes it only a finite expression of the infinite 'He' at best. Thus it is 'Hu' (as in Human, coincidentally) or Kahu. Contrary to the popular belief concerning the Egyptian use of Ka, to the Hamitic Ethiopians, Ka was actually one human body containing both mental attributes and physical and natural attributes. The Ba, which is also used to mean soul in many instances, feeds the Hu with the attributes of the He (feeds the finite with the attributes of the infinite) until the soul again become one with the Mind of God and the Creation of the Universe (one with Ra and Nu), but now with its own identity and individuality.

Ba - The human headed bird flitted around in the tomb during the day brining air and food to the deceased, but traveled with Ra on the Solar Barque during the evenings.

Thus the Hu is associated with the since of taste (page 300, The Gods of The Egyptians, Volume 2, Wallis Budge). The link (or the divinity) between the Mind of God and the Soul is therefore the Hehu. A soul that are consciously aware that it is linked to the Mind of God is a He-hu-ba-ru.

The Heru

Ra is mistakenly identified as the Sun-god. Ra actually means Pure and Perfect Mind, as in the purifying rays of the sun, which are infinite. Thus the hieroglyph for sun, is used to imply Pure and Perfect Mind. The circle also means infinite, and without beginning and without end. Note that there is a dot within the circle. The dot implies that the finite is contained within the infinite. Therefore, finite was given a human face that would be the Father of all the He-hu-ba-ru linked to the infinite Ra by the Hehu. Thus this human face was known as He-ru (Heru), an angel standing in the sun (Revelation 19:17).

Heru/Adam/Osiris
Meru/Cain/Set/Seth
A-b-ru/Abel/Heru-pa-khart/Horus
Neete-ru/Eve/Isis
All of them were hamitic Ethiopians and the true characters. It's not mythology at all. I've read a lot of articles and the source I accept is robust/true and faithful. These people walked the earth around Ethiopia around 5500 B.C. Heru then created a civilisation Pe and Ethiopia which Plato later named Atlantis. This was a high order of Afrikan spiritualist civilisation 2500 yrs before the first dynasty.

I 'm familiar with some of what you wrote, the rest was insightful.  I've always had trouble reasoning between this theory.  Most christians insist the bible is accurate in telling the creation story.  Many also insist that the earth is ~6000 years old.  Early creationist theories, IMO, contradiction much of what has been told throughout the history of the African people.  In fact, I've read by many scholars the world is much older than this and African history has been documented to date back well before 6,000 years.  If Adam, Heru, Ausar, and Osiris are all the same person and he actually did walk the face of the earth why is there such a discrepancy between the time frames of eaches life and why does he have so many different names?

There is a discrepancy because people have their reasons.
Heru/5500 B.C hamitic Ethiopian
Ptah/Ausar/Auset/ First Dynasty 31000/3000 B.C
Osiris/Greeks/???????
Adam/ Christians/????????
The point is the earliest reference was the Hamitic name and everything else derives from that.
As to Christianity it's essentially flawed (As in the representation, it borrows heavily from the Gospel of Heru but it's flawed)

   THE GOSPEL OF HERU (Part 1)

Understand that the Gospel, works, and resurrection of Jesus were all born out of the Gospel of Heru.  Therefore, to restore the Gospel of Heru as the Everlasting Gospel written of in Revelation 14:6, it would be best to start with examining Jesus from a totally different perspective than that which was propagated by Europeans.  The European perspective of Jesus is that of a white Jew, who came to fulfill the prophecies of just the Hebrew prophets written of in the Old Testament.  In our perspective, Jesus is seen as an Ethiopian Hebrew descendant of the Hamitic Ethiopian Heru. He is sent by Heru to not only to fulfill the prophecies of the Hebrew prophets, but also the prophecies and works of all his Ethiopian ancestors, whose prophecies and works were born out of the Gospel of Heru.   To develop an understanding Jesus' fulfillment of all faith in God, we will start with the resurrection of Jesus, and perhaps work our way back to the beginning of his Gospel.  When we are finished, it should be clear why Jesus would declare, in John 14:1-7, that there are many mansions in his Father's house, and implied that whosoever believed in God also believed in him--no matter what faith they came to him through.

Jesus was not the first son of Heru to be resurrected from the dead.  The first son of Heru to be resurrected from the dead was Heru-pa-khart, or Horus the younger, and simply Horus when Heru's name was changed to Osiris (Volume I, Gods of The Egyptians, Budge, page 467).  He was murdered by his brother Meru, which is the root of the stories Set kills Horus, and Cain kills Abel.  However, before his son's murder, Heru had already written of, in his Gospel, the method of preparing the body for the transformation and for the resurrection.  Yet his son was raised from the dead in another form was said to have entered into the Kingdom of Heaven.  Whether the resurrection was caused by preparation of the body or the harmony and unity that existed between the Gospel of Heru and the Works of God I can't say.  I do know that we can find the preparation of the body for resurrection on pages 131-139 of Volume II of "The Gods of The Egyptians" by Budge.  All of which is no doubt a later Egyptian distorted version of what actually happened in Ethiopia somewhere between the Blue Nile and White Nile south of Meroe long before Heru's name was changed to Osiris.  The twelve divisions of the Tuat, which represent the divine science in the Gospel of Heru, just might give us a better idea of what actually caused the resurrection.  Nevertheless, the resurrection of Heru's son is the root of how Horus became known as the god of the resurrection in Egypt, and Jesus coming to fulfill the resurrection written of in the Gospel of Heru.

The legacy of Horus' (or Abel's) resurrection was also maintained in the Hebrew Scriptures.  We can get a vague glimpse of it in the Book of Hebrews.

HEBREWS 11:4
"By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by he being dead yet speaketh."

Jesus was also a physician who worked miracles with medicine and divine science.  Let us take a lot at from where he learned such things.  During the Third Dynasty, Ptah brought the Gospel of Heru from Meroe or Napata into the Memphis region in the original language of Heru.  On page 524 of Volume I of "The Gods of The Egyptians" by Budge, we learn that the Gospel of Heru, in its original language, appeared in the hands of Heru-tata-f.  We are told that he was a very learned man and a very skillful writer, whose speech was hard to understand.  His speech was hard to understand because he spoke in the original language of Heru, and other descendants of Heru has already introduced his Gospel in the in other Hamitic languages during the First and Second
Dynasties.  Some believe that the original language of Heru is closely associated with the Ge'ez of Ethiopia, but only was only written in hieroglyph form instead of the syllabet form of Ge'ez.  However, I-em-hetep was there, and was skilled in the original language of Heru as well as some of the other Hamitic languages through the Gospel of Heru had previously been introduced into the region.  Through the divine science in the Gospel of Heru, I-em-hetep became the first master physician.  And it is from the works of I-em-hetep that Jesus also learned to become a master physician, who could work miracles with medicine and divine science.

I-em-hetep also built the very first pyramid at Saqqarah around 2737-2717.  As the first master physician and master architect, I-em-hetep was deified as a member of the Triad of gods at Memphis.  In Memphis, the Gospel of Heru according to I-em-hetep began the bases for build the Great Pyramid of Egypt in the Fourth Dynasty.

I-em-hetep's knowledge of the original language of Heru and several of the other languages, in which the Gospel of Heru reached the Memphis area, also became the foundation of the very same Egyptian archives through which Moses would learn to the sons of God (the sons of Heru) which he would later write about in the 4th-6th Chapters of the Book of Genesis as descendants of Adam.
The various ministries of the descendants of Heru were recorded in places like Ethiopia, Meroe, Napata, and Thebes before such records were brought into Memphis by kings of the First, Second, and Third Dynasties.   In the Fifth Chapter of Genesis, Moses records (or interprets) the life spans of these ministries as how long the ministers lived.  When it was detected that the Gospel of Heru, according to a particular minister, was changed into another language, Moses recorded as the minister having sons and daughters.  Therefore, we find these ministers having children at the age of two to three hundred years old.  Commonsense should tell us that Moses was not actually recording the biological life span of these descendants of Adam, or that they were actually fathering children at such advanced biological ages. 

The ability to determine the exact time the Gospel of Heru began was not the works of I-em-hetep of the Third Dynasty, but rather the works of Meni (or Menes in Greek) of the very First Dynasty.  It is through the works of Meni that we are able to understand the prophecy of Christ coming 5500 years after the conception of the Gospel of Heru to redeem is seed (The Forgotten Books of Eden, The First Book of Adam and Eve, Chapter Three, verse six).  The First Dynasty no doubt began some where between 3500 B.C and 3000 B.C.  On page 76 of "Wonderful Ethiopians of The Ancient Cushite Empire" Drusilla Dunjee Houston tells us that Menes dates back to 5500 B.C.  How could such a brilliant researcher have made such an error?  It is easy to understand if she doing her research from a copy of Menes on written records, wherein he declares himself to be from the time in which the Gospel of Heru was first conceived.  Meni was the actual founder of Memphis, and like the scribed Heru-tata-f, who would come after him, Meni no doubt spoke the original language of Heru.  Understand that, during those times, there were no words or expressions like democracy, capitalism, socialism, communism, "give me liberty or give be death," "we hold these truths to be self evident," black power, "I have a dream," etc. to serve as a rally cry that gathers men and women together to undertake various endeavors.  To accomplish great achievements, during this time in history, men and women were gathered together by spiritual concept, or a declaration of the Word of God.  Declaring the Gospel of Heru to be the Word of God, Meni succeeded in united Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt.  Once unified, they became great builders of temples, and dams to harness the power of the Nile, and developed many new cults around the Gospel of Heru, with Memphis as their center.   Yet many Egyptologists

might say that no king by the name Meni existed in the First Dynasty or any other Dynasty because his name is not in the List of Kings.


Let us examine why the name Meni may have been omitted from the List of Kings.  In declaring himself to be from the time that the Gospel of Heru was actually conceived, Meni set the precedence for what banner-name or ka-name all the kings of the first four Dynasties would bear in their seals, the royal titulary.  Their ka-name became known as their Horus-name, a Greek translation that replaces the Egyptian shorten version of Heru-pa-khart.  The name implies that all the kings of the first four Dynasties were the resurrected son of Heru.


The oldest known part of the royal titulary is the Horus-name üˆöf§UPAC84 , the banner-name or ka-name.    It represents the king as the earthly embodiment of the god Horus, the divine prototype and patron of the Egyptian kings.

The Nebti-name üˆöf§UPAC84   shows the king in a special relation to two goddesses: the vulture-goddess Nekhbet of the Upper Egyptian cities of Elkab and Hierakonpolis and the cobra-goddess Uto of the Lower Egyptian city Buto. Both goddesses are the deified personification of Upper- and Lower-Egypt respectively, and as such, the Nebti-name denotes the king as "the one of Nekhbet (Upper-Egypt) and Uto (Lower-Egypt)", i.e. as the "one belonging to Upper- and Lower-Egypt".

The meaning of the third part of the royal titulary, the "golden Horus name"  üˆöf§UPAC84   , is (even) more disputed.  Both Kheops (Khufu) of the 4th Dynasty and Merenre of the 6th Dynasty have the title with two falcons over the "gold" sign. These two falcons are frequently used as a symbolic representation of the reconciled gods Horus and Seth.

For future reference, please remember the meaning of two falcons in the golden Horus-name of king Khufu.  It will become very important in understanding who actually designed and built the Great Pyramid at Giza.

The nomen is introduced by the epithet üˆöf§UPAC84   "son of Re". It was added to the royal titulary in the beginning of the 4th Dynasty. It was from that time on, that the royal titulary became established in the form discussed here. The name in the cartouche was, as a rule, the king's name of birth.

The problem with identifying Meni was that the oldest known sources that mentioned a king only referred to him using his Horus-name, which, in the case of the king that founded Memphis, was not Meni.  However, his name continued to ring out in the ancient world until a form of his name was adopted in the Aramaic language spoken by Daniel.

DANIEL 5:25-26
"And this is the writing that was written, ME'NE, ME'NE, TE'KEL, UPHAR'SIN."
"This is the interpretation of the thing: ME'NE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it."

Remember that it was the works of Meni that made it possible to count the number of years back that the Gospel of Heru was conceived, and the number of years from the conception of the Gospel of Heru until the coming of Christ.

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Egypt is truly a great and phenominal part of world history.  All of our math, and science is out of Egypt. But most of us do not know that ___ College, was born out of Egypt. Many so called philosophers travelled to Egypt to study, this was considered  a great accomplishment by the Europeans--to have studied in Egypt. Greek philosophy, is really Egyptian. Socrates, Plato, etc... all went to Egypt studied and then copied what they learned and now get all the credit.

Check out the pythagorum theory, (originated in Egypt)