Africa Speaks Reasoning Forum

hello, I'm here for generale opinions and a clear shot of what people think, please don't start a debate over this, I really just want opinions. A friend of mine and myself are white Quebecers (from canada) and believe in the rastafarian way of life. We try to live as rastas do and we definitivly despise the word ''Hippie'' (people should know the diffrence...) We're looking forword to go living in a Rasta community either in Jamaica or in Ethiopia to get out of the material life that is around us... And to live the actual rastafari familly. Do you think this is appropriate? Will people see this badly? I know the rastas started on a base of revolution because they, their familly had been enslaved, and sadly enough, my ancestors where probably stupid enough to have been part of this, but I, youth and white Canadian of today, believe this was the greatest mistake ever and I hope to be able to make a diffrence while I'm on earth and able too. I have already spent 3 monthes in Bénin where I learnt  a lot about african culture and living in a community (though a non-rasta community) Therefore, here is my question, will a Rasta Community accepte 2 fellow white brother and sister in their community for a few monthes? They who wish to share theire beliefs in equal rights and love of mother-earth?

Well you know rastafarianism was created by founders that wanted it to be a Black/Afrikan way of life for Black/Afrikans not a White/Afrikan way of life for White/Afrikans but you can live a way of life to get in touch with your Black/Afrikan ancestors(everyone descended from Black/Afrikans) there are many ways of life to live but rastafarianism was not made for you.

WHAT IS IT THAT THESE 2 WHITE GUYS NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY CAN'T FIND IN THIS FORUM? IS THERE NO WHITE GROUP OR MOVEMENTS FOR WHITES WHO WANT TO CHANGE THEIR EVILOUS CONIVING WAYS?

RASTAFARI MOVEMENT IS AN AFRICAN MOVEMENT AND WE NEED TO DO THIS BY OURSELVES. TAKE YOUR QURIOSITY ELSEWHERE. WE NO LONGER NEED OR VALUE YOUR OPINIONS OR APPROVALS.


RASTAFARI LIVE.

Nice way of being open minded there, is it not true that every man is equal? Why would you not value my opinions as I value yours? Are you not concidering yourself raciste to put down white people as we are all brothers and sisters, who actually look at the color of the skin these days?


Thank you S1, this is the type of answer I was looking for. We do value our black ancestors as this is where we come from, we will continue our way of life as we mean it.

Well said warrior its time to let these yugurus know whose forum this is and they dont belong. Why do yts wanna come to a Afrikan Rastafari forum anyway? Stealing our culture once again I think.

 truly speaking

AND get me clear WHITE BOY

here in afrika we are tired and sick of whites- scriptures  say all nations will return to their own lands.Stay where you are we dont want and need you here.I am really tired of white people somedays i wish i could make them all dissapear outa afrika and take the indian and asian with them too.Its not that i dont see goodness in all white people some good some evil just like there is good black and evil black people -the point is CAN THEY JUST LEAVE US ALONE IN OUR OWN LAND-what you want here-ALREADY YOUR RACE IS  OVERLORD OVER MY PEOPLE  in our own land !!!!!!!!-WHITE BABIES GROW UP PRIVELEGED EATING FRUITS AND ORGANIC VEGGIES WHILE MY BLACK CHILDREN WEEP WITH HUNGRY STOMACHS  TATTERED CLOTHING watching their parents DIE FROM AIDS A GENOCIDE OF OUR PEOPLE  ENGINEERED BY YOUR RACE TO ANNIHILATE WE !!! YOU HAVE HEARD THAT YOU ARE A PRODUCT OF AN EVIL SEED INCOMPLETE LACKING IN CONSCIOUSE -.We certainly dont need more whites around here AFRICA .We WANT AETHIOPIA BLACK FR OM CAPE TO CAIRO    SEEN?

1 John 4:20-21
[20] If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
[21] And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

John 15:17-20
17] These things I command you, that ye love one another.
[18] If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
[19] If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
[20] Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Mic.4:1-3
[1] But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
[2] And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
[3] And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Posted by: river 
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If you are really concerned about making a difference you should learn about racism, white privilege and your complicity in it, and share those lessons with your fellow whites. Trying to run away and escape a world created by European racism, is not only an act of white privilege but it also contributes towards the problem. As Peter Tosh reminds, there can be no equal rights (and love of mother earth) without justice.

Tyehimba

Though you tell whites about all of this , they don't want to listen , they deny it. They try to avoid these kind of conversations... They deny even the obvious facts that you tell and show them. You can't MAKE one conscious ,he has to find the truth himself. Because when truth is revealed usually the shift changes and it appears that one was living in a world of fantasy.

Truth is Truth, not all white ppl. are ignorant by choice. Many are hidden from the truth. Of course I n I live in a world of lies, but some whites aren't even exposed to a little bit truth. But, when truth is revealed u must accept it and stand by it, no half stepping, no partiality in this. I was one of them that was secluded from life, but Jah showed I the truth when I was a little girl(3rd or 4th grade) from then on I was searching. It is sad that a book revealed afrika to i and the downpression. I family, community, CHURCH, school, etc failed to teach i the truth. Instead, they raped i from it and hid I from the true-story. If it wasnt for Jah I wouldn't have known about the motherland, but I'm still trying to know her for her beauty and 400+ years of beauty have been enslaved and tortured. So as they raped Afrika, her true-story, and her children they hid i from afrika, her true-story and her children. N e wayz, I read ur post(boogieman) and wanted to I-spond. I want u to know that not all white ppl. don't  accept the truth, but if thats how u feel ur entitled to ur opinion. U just got I thinking, I'm not I-sponding for a debate, I come with humility. Heart of Love, Heart of Sabbath!

Blesses. InI didn't say that all white don't accept the truth. Only some do , but usually it's hard to believe, because it's very different of what you had been thought by curriculum and parents... I believe that there is wickedness and righteousness in all people. Like most of whites like to say Jah see no color , but they use it in the wrong context. Jah does not judge by color , but by deeds. But since there is wicked Babylon, witch is ready to divide and rule. As InI overstand racism is just another devils creation, usually it's fueled by greed or some other sin.
By the way I'm white so InI speak what I had seen and experienced living amongst white ppl.
Hotep, and bless.
Most High.

Blessed, yes I, I agree. I wasn't trying to come off a way that I was trying to argue in a debate, I just wanted to reason. Sometimes it is difficult to reason online cause the reader cannot always see what emotion is coming forth in the words.  I was just isponding to show u that not all white ppl. cannot stand in truth. First, I made a mistake by not confirming that ur afrikan or non-white. See, I thought u were afrikan or non-white and wanted to show u through I eyes. I thought u were saying all whites, so I just wanted to clarify. I didn't want to debate either, just a simple reasonment.  I believe it is bless for ones and ones to share where they come from as well, to create a better understanding of each other. N e wayz, I agree, I grew up in a white world and when I found out different nations existed, I tried to share the truth i found. But, many do not want to see it. The mentality is slavery is over and lets move on. But, they fail to see that slavery never ended, it has itinued through many different forms. N e wayz, give thanx and once again I usally don't Ispond, but I just did this time. I give thanx again for the moment. Where is the I from? I would like to reason with the I sometime, of ok. I email is empress4iva@yahoo.com.

In the words of His Imperial Majesty, JAH Rastafari
"That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned: That until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of any nation;That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained; ...Until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and good-will; Until all Africans stand and speak as free beings, equal in the eyes of all men, as they are in the eyes of Heaven; Until that day, the African continent will not know peace. We Africans will fight, if necessary, and we know that we shall win, as we are confident in the victory of good over evil."

How then can such racist views come from Africans who follow the teachings of H.I.M?
Africans are a forgiving people with an inherent knowledge of right and wrong- I am not implying that in forgiving we should forget but the emphasis here is that we as Africans do not waste our energy in directing hatred towards the whiteman BUT rather we should unite to develop and strengthen Africa!!! in that way i strongly believe that we shall be fighting down all systems of downpression.
Also we must not forget that many black people are part of the system that downpress the African...

So can a person who fights WITH Africa be a true enemy?? or have i misinterpreted Rastafari?...

A person who fights for isn't. But sometimes a white person takes his white privilege with him into the movement and usually is doing some subconscious sabotage to the whole group of people... InI think that Rasta is salvation for I mind, but first one has to liberate his mind of Babylon propaganda to be rasta. And whites usually don't see how to do it.
Most High.

The old man is angry.
The mother is frowning.
I am not amused.

I may come on as harsh, but let RASTA speak for RASTA. THere are some here who are taking this for granted. All reason holds water, but this board should be kept to reasoning on rastafari.

Greetings

I thank you for helping me to overstand the matter a bit more from the mind of Rasta (particularly to you Boogieman)- Thanks
Please don't get me wrong- I may have come across as critical but i really do believe that energies should be spent on overcoming the evil of  oppression through unification rather than building hate... (but i dont wanna try enforce my view on anyone- im sure the people in this forum have own thinking and free thought.)

I also see the reasoning is for Rasta but that said i particularly as an African have enter the forum/ reasonin to gain insight/ overstandin of Rasta so i dont mis-see Rastafari as much of the world do.

Bless

you have to be true to yourself...only then can you be true to others.

Hail!

First and foremost I don't consider myself being a white man. Those catigorizations was made by the pope and his cohorts some 500 years ago. I refuse to play the white man/black man game beacause it was invented by the devil. Jah RastafarI Haile Selassie I come to show the world that until the philosophy which hold one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abondened, until the color of a mans skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes, there will be war!!! So those separations, divisions and discriminations have to stop for all of I n I to live in peace and prosperity. I think u should look into RastafarI serious beacause it's the movemant of Jah people in this time. The religions of the world is tied down by historical and traditional miseducation. Only Rasta has been looking into matters without colored eyes, just seeing things as they are without prejudice, and only the Rasta have been free from blindness to know that His Imperial Majesty is the light of the world, no matter how Babylonian forces try to discredit H.I.M.
I and I don't believe, I and I know that this Babylon system is the devils system, and they have this doctrine of white being better than black, to divide and rule the world, to confuse the people with a wicked and evil doctrine. Instead of the teachings of H.I.M. that we all are ONE. But those who follow Babylon system, no matter of color, shall fall with it. And all rightous shall stand tall and firm in this judgement. Selah.

blessed love
well first of phesto, if the I is white, the is using the white privilege, meaning that the I is above on socio economic ladder created by the pope. How about playing this game? It seems that this quote is somehow misoverstood, because HIM was speaking of the ending of white supremacy and racial prejudices, but the i must real-eyes that as long as there is white supremacy system pon this earth, the I being a white person should use this quote as an example for the struggle of human rights, but until that there is war, until the full filling of HIM words the I should shut up about this. The I is using this white privilege and yet at the same time try to be as equally RasTa, well no one say the i shouldn't be RasTa, but bear in mind one thing, that maybe one day the I would want to move to Ithiopia for Iample, go there and say that the I have the same right to be there as any other Ithiopian. Get rid of the I white privilege. Yes the I should forget the race, the I should bun out race issue in the I heart and look past it, but as long as the words of HIM hasn't been fully-full-filled the I should always remember that the I is white. No disraspeck, the has to learn a lot of things. And don't get vexed about black brethren not raspecktin white brethren, all this come from a white gentile. The I must look into thyself more.
Blessed Sabbath
King Emmanuel I Selassie I JAH Ras Tafar I

Can not belive wth I see here!!!!! All people have every right to have belive is smth, no color skin can be mesure of somene´s belives And some people call them self a Rastafari, its a shame to read here that someone wnth to see all people tht are not black out of Africa or any other place in the world this Earth is for ALL people, to live in love and respect.All people can be devide in to and only in two categories BAD & GOD. God be with you people

 Respect Boogieman,

 I dont understand how I mised the meaning this quote? Or misdirected the words, of H.I.M. Racial prejudices come from all sides of the fence. Each and everyone of of us has some form of racial prejudices force feed to us from the time we can comprehend. Be it by family, peers, gov. politics, even religions. I believe my goal here is to burn out those prejudices in my self, seen and unseen, and to communicate with others about what is in them and why, so that we can work together to burn it out completely, on BOTH sides. There are so many forms of injustice thrown at each and every side as well. I understand, the history of mankind, and know what has been done in the past, but I would never hold a bad mind toward every Geman I now meet in my life today, because of the holacost. My grandmother and grandfather, helped save hundrends, yes literally hundreds of Jewish familys cross boarders and escape slavery, and persecusion, not because they were Jewish, but because they had love for mankind in their hearts. They did'nt see religions defining one another, they never saw color seperating people, they only saw JAH's Children struggling to survive, while others strived for power, and control.

 I have nothing but respect for what you have replied with King, and I hold no bad mind at anyone that does not want to respect me, that is not my decission to make. Fact of the matter is the game has changed, and those that want to keep us ignorant and seperated, are geeting really good at hiding their adgenda, and keep us fighting ourselves, while they sit back and watch us fight over history, and each other because of the actions of a few of THEIR minions, all the while they get stronger, and we remain weak. I think what is important now is to fight the injustices, and to learn from the horrible mistakes of the past, however I personally feel it would be extremely destructive, for me to judge every black man because I was jumped by a few kids, on a couple of ocassions, because I was white and trying to walk home from school where I was the minority. The point is that we can all find reasons to dislike each other, thats easy. To follow whats in your heart, and follow what JAH has asked us to do is a challange and a struggle.

Blessed love breddrin