Africa Speaks Reasoning Forum

EGADS.... i just came into the realization that WHITE PEOPLE......



.....understand that they are the inferior species... This must be why they are so eager to participate in miscegenation with "all other RACES"... It's not that they only want to see Blackness disappear; they want to see whiteness disappear also... And that's because....




.....They are a people with-out a culture of their own; and with out a define-able skin-color... They realize all the problems they have with their skin & hair, including how soon they start to break down, (premature balding, lack of melanin, wrinkles, sagging), & the cancers....... That's an extremely high price to pay just to stay ALIVE ... So they opt for Miscegenation.... It's their only chance at SURVIVAL...




Race-mixing... Mongrel-making... Loss of Specificity... The blurring of the RACIAL-divide... They began to do this mixing immediately after leaving those caves... They knew they couldn't survive with-out it.... Their survival depended totally on us... 'Cause...




..... GOD, thru the brightness of the universe, had already sentenced them to a horrible, damp, dingy, Fungal & Bacteriological, Mold infested DEATH.... A LIFE WITH-OUT SUN-SHINE..... Imagine that... What a rancid FUTURE.... Technically, they were already DEAD.. For some unknown reason, GOD had dealt them the WORSE hand possible... Their choices were to accept this DEATH by SUN, or to RISE-UP, defying GOD'S-WILL; challenging the WORLD; laying waste to all other mankind; stealing away their inheritance; their COLOR, & their CULTURE; as they try to escape the ravages of their C U R S E....




Ruthlessly and with EVIL intent, they traversed the GLOBE under the guise of exploration & frendship....Then thru' hook, crook & weaponry, they managed to wrestle away control of these communities from the ELDERS; holding them hostage, while they killed off, or enslaved the younger men, and then followed that up by forcefully RAPING as many women as they could...




This inter-breeding resulted in a lighter-skinned people (not white, but lighter), who were expected to rule over the darker-sknned variety.... This arrangement provided their off-spring enough protection to circumvent GOD'S original C U R S E on their people....

Seeking permanence, they were quick to accept & promote those with the lighter hue... The darker ones are often over-looked, or marginalized... Those of mixed-breeds, are encouraged to stay separated from their original people, and to mix more & more with other white people.... This allows Whites to blend in with us, in what they perceive as a higher class of people....


Other fully Black People(s), WORLD-WIDE, are routinely discriminated against, marginalized, and/or infected with deseases to decrease our over-all population....




What surprises me is how we as BLACK People, continue to play into their hands all the time, with-out ever really seeing the BIG PICTURE...

During their all-out assault on us, i.e., during slavery and/or colonization period, they treated us like a sub-speces, like animals actually... In America, the center of WHITE ARROGANCE, during SLAVERY, they called us "MULES", treating us like work animals... But STILL, they found time to SEX our WOMEN.... MULES by day... And SEX GODDESS's at night-time... To keep BLACK MALES away from their new prize possessions, they would move these concubines, from the fields into the HOUSES, and then forbid them & their mix-breeds from having any normal contact with their past...





AS their off-springs began to resemble them more & more, the separation came into full effect... Many BLACKS are now buying into this system as they enjoy the excesses of their new-found privilege.... Now-a-days, most Blacks out-side of AFRICA are mixed, and by accepting the EUROS STANDARDS OF BEAUTY, we play their game by worshiping white and/or light, rather than going back into OUR OWN CULTURE & STANDARDS.....This will forever keep us divided & dysfunctional.....

Blacks need to realize that if we focus on us, keeping AFICA as our main focus, we can beat them at their own game, and really begin to turn this thing around... We are the SUPERIOR RACE... They know this.. That's why they NEED US so badly... We don't NEED THEM at all... And WE NEED TO KNOW THIS FACT...

"KNOWLEDGE is POWER"

LONG LIVE THE BLACK FAMILY.... and....

P E A C E...

The pale man (Caucasian) originated from the Caucasus mountains, where there was very little plant life and not much means for salt.Bestiality came about when Caucasians first had sex with beasts, of the fields – not dogs. It was way back during the period of time when the caucasians lepers lived in the Caucasus Mountains. The Caucasians began to lose their power to reproduce because of a lack of melanin, which depleted the salt in their bodies and it had reached a dangerous minimum. Their lacking in the full amount of melanin, which activates the iodine, can interfere with their reproductiveness. So, the caucasians males came down from the mountains to kidnap the Black Nubian (aka brown) women of the villages, in order to have sexual relations and reproduce an offspring that would not bear the full curse of leprosy. This condition forced him to rob the Nubian (Black) female of her chastity in order to keep his seed alive, it’s called integration. The Caucasian woman who was left in the mountains, resorted to lying with and having sex with beasts: such as the jackal, which is an ancestor of today’s dog. The phrase “dog is man’s best friend” came from this situation. The dog would lick the festered sores of the caucasian leper and clean them for him. His seed was kept alive because the Caucasian woman and the jackal mated. This is where you get caucasians who possess an animalistic nature.

Both of the theories are pretty strange and awkward... InI would rather think that there can be evil in all races. Yin and Yang. Though InI think that there was one fundamental change in white man is that his pineal gland ceased to function. And since it is the main center of mans spirituality ,white man lost his spirituality and the production of  melanin. But taking those strange jackal theories is really racist, this kind of theories reminds  I of Hitler and his theories on races. That is wicked. Through history InI only see that man to man is unjust and racism is just another Babylon creation, to confuse the ones mind. To make the killing and raping of one group of people to another. To be frank I am a white person, I see why these kind of theories come to mind, white man is the destructor of the earth, but there are  righteous white people as there are wicked non-white people. I can see since there is little natural spirituality in whites and because of that there is little or no spiritual world in the Western World(Babylon) the materialistic world is the main world. Because of the greedy hands of the white man the slavery and the conquering and imperialism took place. Most of the people are brainwashed as they where back in the day, Babylon is keeping it that way. I see many racist wicked white people. But still I put fire pon everything witch is not righteous and is created by Babylon in order to divide ,rule and conquer. I hope I made sense.
Bless.
Most High.

This is NOT theories but FACTS,and those facts are recorded in the DNA of the caucasian.
Now if you are a caucasian ask yourself why your ancestors the caucasians lepers that remained in the mountains were pushed further, into the Caucus mountains and fell so low as to mate with the dog-like animals, which is called the act of bestiality, and anyone who was guilty of it was condemned (Leviticus 18:22-23)?. If it did not happen there would have been no reason for this law, and if you want to know who this is talking about just read Leviticus chapter 13 and 14, then to 15, to 16, and then right on up 17, then you're there.

Htp Will, your post is excellent. I definetely like the way you think and I'm going to post your article in my website if you don't mind.  [smiley=2thumbsup.gif]

Kelani...

The compliment sounds G R E A T... Especially, since it comes from that one, who has inspired me for so long.... Take it.. Do with it, what you will....

Peace my Sista....

Horus I guess I am cursed then all I can do is die(no sarcasm). But what can the I say about this part ,it's Leviticus ,chapter 13
13.  Then the priest shall consider: and, behold, if the leprosy have covered all his flesh, he shall pronounce him clean that hath the plague: it is all turned white: he is clean.
14.  But when raw flesh appeareth in him, he shall be unclean.
Most High.
Bless the I for the reasoning.

It seems that the I doesn't want to reason on the subject... But I still see mating with a jackal just a theory. DNA proves it? How? As InI overstand in your eyes I am nothing but an animal... "ask yourself" As if I knew why would anyone want to have sex with a beast.

When they say:]it is all turned white: he is clean.,they talk about a form of leprosy wich is not contagious,so it is called clean.
The contagious form is called unclean.
Albinism and Vitiligo are clean leprosy.
Every experience is recorded in the DNA.
Why do you think some caucasians are so hairy?

They are hairier to survive in cold weather...
About the leprosy the I is right. But the genes of a jackal is too low to say that just out of hatred toward yt ppl... Cause 99%of the whole genes are the same in all races. WHE ALL THE WORLDS HUMANS descended from Afrikans a so called adam and eve...
Most High.
Bless.

Will where did you get your info from?

Shack...

i find it quite strange that you would even bother to ask.... One does not need sources other than LIFE itself to see all the things i've mentioned here.... Lot's of the things i speak of is still going on today... As a master of fact, most of it continues as we speak....

Open your eyes LAD... LQQK around you... Observe.... Put the GANGA away for long enought to make a good assessmernt of OUR SITUATION....

Then if none of that helps you, may i suggest you start a re-education program, concentrating on BLACK studies, covering such TOPICS as The destruction of AFRICAN Civilization... The mis-education of the NEGRO... The BERLIN conference of 1884 - 1885... The AFRICAN HOLOCAUST... The ISIS papers...

i could go on & on all day naming sources for your re-EDUCATION, but i won't... There are many out there... All you need to do is OPEN your eyes & mind to REALITY & those things that affect(ed) you, your parents & their parents, and any siblings, or off-spring that you may produce in the future...

LQQK today at IRAQ & the Islamic way of LIFE... Some WHITE group decided that all that must be changed, just as they changed OUR WAY OF life...  We are still reeling from the impact of all that..

Don't you see, or feel any of it?????? Or are you so caught-up in White Girls & a color-blind society that you are blind to your OWN KIND & to their suffering, especially the suffering in the MOTHERLAND....

Get a grip KID... Either read a book, or do like you said you would do in another one of your post... "Go ASK you DAD".... He might be able to help you out...

i'm dun with your nonsense....

Well,!!,have a look at this link below,I am dealing with FACTS.

Source: http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/361/12434_sex.html

In Lebanon having half of population Christians, men are officially allowed to have sex with animals. Yet, an important restriction is applied: the animal must be female.
 This is NOT theories but FACTS.

Source: http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/361/12434_sex.html

I have studied all of what you have mentioned however I am just talking about the superior aspect. I never knew there was biological evidence that blacks were the superior race? I'm not going to bother responding to that nonsense you just wrote. Grow up bredren don't be so ignorant. I know that no race is superior. If you look at DNA some people have more in common with people of other races than people of their own race. I saw a documentary about a British guy who traced his ancestry back to a village in Kenya. His DNA is more similar to those people than anyone else on earth. Even than other white people. Now how could he be so inferior to those people when he has 99.9% the same DNA? All this pseudoscience and melanin stuff etc. is just confusion. It holds people back more. Stop talking about this nonsense on the internet and go out there and get educated. You know how many few blacks go to college or university. Education is the key if Africans are going to suceed. All these bitter feelings and stuff won't get you anywhere. And by the way I detest white supremacism and all that nonsense and am proud of my roots. However I just think it's obvious if you think about it logically that no race is superior to any other. Your physical body what is that? Just some meat and bones. Think about it   

Did you truly study it, or did you sit down with some of your white friends to discuss it???? i am sure they were able to convince you, more-so that any BLACK AUTHOR, or ANTHROPOLOGIST, ever could, that there are no basic differences in human-kind...  You appear to grasp all that they give you in the way of evidence, and then you run with it, back to your people shouting at the top of your lungs about the new information than you have LEARNED or, that was given to you by the WHITE MAN...

You believe so much of what he tells you & shows you in either book or film, that you are  bringing back to this forum a tale about a WHITE MAN whose DNA checked out to show he was definitely of EAST AFRICAN (Kenyan) stock..

And your proof is a WHITE documentary, filmed by WHITE entreprenuers, that are currently fleecing BLACKS in the diaspora with supposedly accurate DNA sampling, that identifies them down to a certain TRIBE.... How much does he charge for this kind of information??? Or did he do yours with his, for FREE, as a promotional pckage???

Now, if he's not INFERIOR to other AFRICANS in KENYA, then why does his hair thin & began to fall out at about 30 years of age??? This does not happen to the OTHER REAL KENYANS....

Does the DNA sampling explain why their SKIN gets loose & start to sag & droop at about age 40???? Does it explain why their skin drys out & shrivels-up, getting these deep - deep wrinkles,  on the exposed parts like their hands & neck, making those areas LQQK like 'crackers"??? How about all those veins that criss-cross their legs..  Most of their women can't even wear bathing suits, or thin hose after the age of 40... i am told that they have to wear thick colored stockings, or go have vein-reduction surgery???

How about that for equality of the RACES??? hUH??? Is there any thing in the DNA about that??? Does DNA or other comments that they exchange with you explain why they get these cancerous sores all about themselves from too much exposure to the S U N???

Please take your time to explain that one, cause, i don 't see any of this taking place on any of our REAL AFRICAN people....

And "NO".. i have no idea of "how many few blacks go to college or university"... But i do know, that many of them are not as gullible as you are... Many of them can see thru' the maze, and the dis-coloration of HIS-STORY much better than you can, and they are able to discern the TRUTH from psychological warefare..  They over-stand the WHITE MAN'S game much better than you do..

They over-stand "Divide & Conquer"... They over-stand the EUROPEAN conquest... They over-stand that the main difference between the WHITE MAN & other people of the world is the EVIL GENE that the white man possess'es, and his willingness to use weapons of mass destruction on every other RACE of people to force his imprint on the WORLD... And Y E S.. I did say FORCE....

Had he not intended to take every un-fair advantage that presented itself, then he would never have come of those CAVES... Can he compete & win on a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD???

We'll never really know will we, as he's always had the advantage & he always use's it to get his way..  That advantage being the GUN & the BOMB... i wonder what would happen if he set them aside for a moment or two.... Would he be able to co-exist peacefully, or would he have to run a hasty retreat back up the mountain-side, to the CAVES???

Over-stand, that before him, there existed a much greater civilization than the one you are witnessing today... It was not as modern, nor were so many resources wasted... But the environ & eco-systems were more in balance.. It was a calmer, safer world.. Forced migration, industrialization & social progress has taken it's toll.. Waste & pollution is every where..  Food is no longer safe.. Water, water everywhere, but nary a drop to drink... There is Global warming... The Ice-cap is melting.. All this in just over 500 years...

It's only people with your level of intelligence that makes him feel S U P E R I O R.. And don't say that he doesn't feel that way... Believe me, he knows who the SUPERIOR ONES are; other-wise, he wouldn't need to carry such a BIG STICK, all the time...

If you don't believe me, just "ASK YOUR DAD"....

will JAH bless you. Everything the I said in the last post was pure truth. But bredren I see the I is angry, but that fire burning might get Iself burned ,the I must use that fire to burn down Babylon. But that is just the way I see it.
Bless I.

Hmm Will I think you have me confused with someone else... I don't remember ever mentioning my dad on these forums.

Why are blacks more susceptable to prostate cancer and other diseases if we are perfect? Why do blacks get sick? Why don't we live forever if we are perfect? Yes I realise our hair doesn't thin as much and you know they say black skin don't crack. But those are just some nice benefits of being black. That doesn't make the black race superior lol... See The physical body is just meat and bones. We are all born and we die. I'm not concerned with the physical body so much. I care what you do with what you've got because that is what lasts. I care about what you leave behind, your legacy. You can keep being so obsessed with the physical and get all your "afro hair spray" and gangster clothes to show how "black" and better you are.

I think one could say that black culture is superior because you can prove that. But the thing about the black body being biologically superior I think that is nonsense.   

Exactly everyone descended from Africans. Humankind's DNA is so smiliar. I just can't see how small differences like thicker hair and skin make a race superior. I agree too these kind of theories remind me of Hitler. Whatever I'm not going to judge people though, it is a free country. People can think what they want.

Indeed,

The value of a human lies not in the melanin but in his/her legacy. A legacy of actions throughout life, growing through culture of human, historical and individual development. Yet, every action has a reaction. And so the question is then...has one sown the seeds of unity and so love or have thy sown the seeds of destruction through anger by hate? The choice remains yours, the results of which shall come back at you.

But let it be known,
That growth of seeds sown,
Falters if found prone,
To the poison of hate that kills,
Creativity in its creation,
Before mountains of righteousness,
May be erupted from hills,
So seek not in destruction,
For superiority implies subduction,
Through force you may be tempted,
To impose will upon your fellow man,
For which you will mostly be resented,
As demands for privelage,
Are the next step for such living,
U see, ethnicity is not our only identity,
In fact what binds us all undoubtably,
Is our humanity,
Our universal unmistaken,

.Equality.


Bless

"Hmm my Dad actually told me about a book written by this British guy... and it was his job to destroy evidence that trade existed between ancient Africa and China. They told him to "destroy every stone".  can't remember the name of the book, but I'll ask my dad." ...
The above is a quote from a post you made in the forum titled: African civilization in Ancient China.. on May 14th.... You'll find it listed  in the "HOT SPOTS" area...

A statement like that sticks out Big Time, especially when you talking to a cocky kid.... But hey, i see nothing wrong with it... Perhaps, he can help you out over here too..  Try it... Ask him... It can't hurt you anymore than you are hurt now...

Reading all this BRITISH LIT.... Seems like both you & DAD should be reading the un-biased works of more Black authors, because, they'll tell you how it really was before it got all "WHITE-WASHED"... What you are  reading from the British is only what they want you to believe... It's always been that way...

Your DAD should have told you that.... Mine did....

The white man (as he is known) was not part of the original creation. He represents the opposite of who and what we represent as a people so it is very important that you make that distinction or you will be confused. The Caucasians purpose is to destroy. This is seen in his actions throughout history, his philosophies, his religions, his food, his Medi SIN (medicine), his foreign policy and his society as a whole. His religion Christianity propagates the DEATH of the son of god rather than the teachings of the son of God. The symbol of Christianity is a CROSS an X an error a Mistake, a sword these are all one and the same. His hair texture is DEAD straight grows away from the sun and grows down, He has very little or no melanin to connect him to the realm of Gods,God. Caucasian is really Carcass Asian, Dead Asian.
If his symbol is death ( which it is ) then being the opposite to us in phenotype ( appearance ) amongst other things what is our symbol in this equation? Our ancestors used the Ankh/Aquaba which as many of you know symbolises LIFE/Fertility.We just KEEP HAVING BEAUTIFUL BABIES and he can’t keep up with trying to wipe us out.
The loop and extension on the Ankh represents the Womb and ovaries. The long bit and the outward extension represents the penis and Gonads among many other things all tying into LIFE. It’s a truly deep symbol.

Sorry I didn't remember that I don't see what the problem is though. I just said my dad read an interesting book which was related to the subject I posted it on. Also I don't see why you make so many assumptions... you don't know me. I don't know you. I don't really have many white friends at all... I have read books by black authors too by the way. I'm reading a book called great men of color right now by J.A. Rogers.

No race is superiour to one another we are all of the human race. Im an 18 year old Caucasion or cursed one or whatever idiotic thing you would call me. 

Let me first say we are all of the human race and each group within our race are only other races within the human race. The White man is no way supiorior to the black man nor is any black person we are all equal, we are all human, there is nothing vastly different from the way we are between the races of this planet. We all have emotions,we cry,we laugh,we engage in war every race and people has done this and it is because we are all human.

Many of you people use your Afro-centric beliefs to hide behind...to make yourself feel better. Infact many of you may even feel ashamed of yourself and your race so you use this to cover it up so again..you will feel better. Why does there have to be so much conflict between races? I know my race was extremely oppressive and imperialistic in our history but this is not because we are white. This is because we are human. Evil has influenced humanity since the begginning of time. Know that any Civilization with power will take advantage of someone weaker than them, only for more power.

You speak down on us why? Because we evolved in a primarily Cold enviourment, this causing our skin to be lighter? Im very fair skinned I don't tan very well but it does not bother me. Just as Black people can live in Humid climates, Caucasions are more able to survive in colder climates because of there fair skin. You also act as if every "White" person is Pale. What about Italians,Greeks,Spanierds? They are all part of the white race. Infact there are many German people, Russians and British who have Tan skin also. You can find people like this everywhere in Europe. 20% of the population of England is actually a mix between Nordic and Meditteranean ethnic groups within the white race. This for the majority makes them have natural tan skin. Don't say that this is because of mixing with africans when in fact that has nothing to do with it. Caucasion people with tan skin belong to a Ethnic group called Medditeranids. The reason why the have tan skin is because of evolving in the mediterranean nations of Italy,Souther France,Spain and Greece.

I would also like to point out that Slavery never started with black people. It started with powerful civilizations around the world. Egypt itself used slaves, In ancient times there where wars between African tribes throughout history, Colonists themselves witnessed this. It was between different African ethnic groups. How are you people any different from us? You followed the same self destructive human tradition in your past. Please don't glorify Egypt either they had Civil Wars. The only reason they did not seek war outside was because they where sort of isolated and did not seek it. Ancient Greece for example (A White Civilization) Did not seek war and expand a massive empire. Even though there was a Breif Greek Empire, it was only made up of Colonys around the Meditteranean. Greece like Egypt was mostly at odds with eachother and only had War withoutsiders in defense like Egypt.

As for Slavery White people enslaved each other Such as the Roman Empire Enslaving many "Barbarian People" who where Nordics. Slavery never started with black people. It only continued with black people because it was easier for them to be slaves since they where technologically behind most Civilizations at the time.

Just because we lack melanin does not mean we are inferior, It has already been scientifically prooven. If we where inferior to you, Your people would be superior to us in every field. Understand that being supiour to someone is being enlightened,smarter and superior in every way to them such as having more developed brain, super human abilities but you do not none of you do. We are all equal.

Understand this, you can preach your hate beliefs against white people just as White racists preach there hate about you. Know one thing whatever you are trying to accomplish will never come. You can indoctrine as many people as you want with these hate beliefs. It will simply make no difference. Times have changed and the world is surley but slowley moving beyond racism. Yes this goes for white people to, if you can notice things have gotten a lot better since the 1950's.

Still there are still fodder like you and other White Supremecists who still preach hate. Just think what are you trying to accomplish with this? Do you think you will actually make a difference with your hate? Is this the way it is supposed to be? Dividing people "hating" white people for what we did to your race. I am in no way agreeing with what we did it should have never happened.

But does saying you are superior to us and hating us really going to change anything? No it will simply cause more conflict and destruction. You are accomplishing nothing. If any of you uphold these beliefs you are brainwashed just as your white racist counterparts. More conflict and pain between humans will only lead to are over all destruction.

Take a higher path let go of this hate just as I have, I try my best not to be racist. Ill admit my self I used to hate black people, but this was only because of what they did to me, Do you see a similarity between you an I. They demanded money from me at school. It turned into many fights. In the end of most of them I usually got jumped by 2 or 4 of them afterwards. But this has all past and it only happened when I was in grade 9. Overtime I let go of my beliefs, made black friends, I even dated a black girl at one point but we broke up just a month ago. I know many of you would believe Im lying but hey this is just an internet forum you don't have to take my word for it.

Preach your Afro-Centric hate all you want. What you try to Accomplish will never come. You are a minority with these believes. There will be no change. You will never suddenly conquer white people and if it ever happened (which it won't)what we did to you would only happen all over again only this time it would be with us as the oppressed.

You can all preach these racist beliefs for the rest of your lives. It does no good the human beings as a whole at all. More Hate, Conflict will only lead to are overall destruction. Find what fake scientific facts that have all been contradicted you want it changes nothing. Anyone who upholds these beliefs Understand ONE THING, Nothing you say or do will change society as a hole. Why not help black people instead of express hate for white people? Why not preach peace between all people just as Martin Luther King did? That will go much farther than what you racists are saying. You black people who believe this are no different than a white racist. You are all the same a disease on this earth which is halting the overall human evolution.

Just know whatever you say means nothing little ones, Racism goes no where in this world I don't care what ignourant science you have behind it.

Your cause is dead, you are a brainwashed drone, Victims of the elite. Nothing you do will change this world. Your dreams of getting us back for what we did to you will never come. Revenge is a sickness, only leading to more destruction. The real enemies are not white people, It is the Illuminati and the Elite of this world who want us all controlled. As long as you live in this hate filled mind set you are only falling into there grasp of ceasing to move evolve beyond hateful beliefs, and that will keep you chained. As long as you have something to hate you are only fodder and nothing you do will change that. You racists will never wake up you are to busy glorifying yourselfs in an attempt to feel better about yourself. Truley feeling you are doing something great is moving beyond all the lies and hatred in the world and making peace around you and seeing past every lie that the elitists and the illuminati has concieved covertly within every part of society.

Good luck in life to all who support your superiority over all races. Not just every race because scientifically you have to hate everyone. Just as white people many Asians lack Melanin. Especially the Chinese who represent more than half of the Asian population of the world.     

Just remember kids, There will be no Black Third Riech Hahahaha, just as there will be no overtly racist white society again. The World is in the hands of the illuminati as politics at the highest levels are GREATLY influenced by the occult. This has all been prooven. Especially with the Bohemien grove being filmed by that guy Alex Jones.

In my humble opinion none is superior to the other.The myth of superiority is a construct of white racists which has over time been refuted through scientific revelations.

The pale man is never given any naturalization rites from any government of any country, so, they don’t have any nationality. Any biblical word that is used to refer to them – such as Amorites, Caucasian, Horites, Hittites, is a mountainous place. They don’t belong to a particular nation. They weren’t born anywhere because they were an artificially created, not even a human, being. So, by the previous definition, they are a race without a nationality. Whenever they trace their history, such as in Greece, they always go back to mythology.
The Greeks also try to link themselves back to the Ionians of the Bible, however, the Bible has not verified itself as fact. It’s what you call accepted fact. It has not been confirmed or proven as of yet. There are confirmed facts and there are accepted facts. The pictures on the wall are confirmed facts, the Bible is an accepted fact because nothing in it has been proven. The pale race has no picture on walls that tell of their history, as with the Sumerians, Egyptians, Native Americans, Mayans, Chinese, Aztecs, etc. The Arabs have put themselves in a bad position when it comes to verifying your history, because they believe that you are not allowed to draw pictures. They have not allowed themselves to be carved in stone, which would last through time. So, if your society cannot verify itself then it becomes a myth. That is why so-called Europeans cannot be traced back in history.

The pale man or whatever you call us does have remnants of civilizations but such as stonehenge and ancient drawings by cave people on rocks indicating some type of burial system and religion. The reason why there was no history was because most Caucasions evolved in a harsh cold climate making it harder to start a civilization. In pre-history there was pictures found on walls possible indicating a war with the Cro-magnon peoples who are also a Caucasion ethnic group.

It appears you are extremely Ignourant Horus. You constantly refer to Caucasions as the "Pale man", When in truth a fair skin tone represents about half of all "Caucasion" people. The ones you refer to as the pale man primarity evolved in europe and they do not have many early traces of civilization because as I explained if any race evolved in that climate it would take time to start a civilization, This is prooven even up to 500B.C most pale skinned people of the Caucasion race where still living in tribes and clans, with underdeveloped villages. This is why it is so hard to trace this part of the caucasion races history.

Horus your ignourance is asstounding, I have an entire history of the white race all I have to do is find the site and you say we can't trace are history? Your racial supremecy beliefs is a joke stop trying to make yourself feel better because you may be ashamed of your own race an in denial. The Sumerians themselves where Caucasion originating from the Caucas, So where the Mesopotamians and many other early Civilizations. Egypt did NOT come first. It was the Civilization of Sumer a Caucasion Civilization. There population consisted of primarily tan skinned people with a large minority of light eyed people. All of them have Caucasion facial features. You say we have no history. We layed the foundation for modern Civilization. We where one of the first Civilization and we came before Ancient Egypt did. Without Sumeria or Mesopotamia there would be no modern Civilization in Europe today. What are you saying with this Arabs believe we are not aloud to draw pictures? You are not making sense here and again with a statement like this you are again only refering to the part of are race who has "pale skin". These people are Nordics and some members of the Alpine and Mediteranean racial groups of the white race. The Arabs themselves have a great similarity to us, they are caucasion in originating from the Caucas. Lets also not for get the Ancient Indo-Ayrans of Persia who where also a very early Caucasion Civilization also spreading to India. The Indo-Ayran Invasions was an Invasion by the Caucasion people into the regions of the middle east there by setting up These Civilizations. But it was only to be later submerged into a mass of Semitic, Mongoloid and Hamiic (mixed peoples). With all these mixtures of races in the Middle East there was no major African influence in terms of culture or people as most of them displayed no Negro facial features and the large majority never had dark brown or black skin. Just as the Caucasion Civilizations where mixed with other races so was Egypt after the Invasions from the Middle East and The Romans, leaving the Egyption Civilization destroyed and mixed with Caucasion ethnic groups. To this day there are virtually no traces of Egypts once pure African ancestory with Nubians representing less the 1% of the total population.

It was not a suprise that Egypt fell, It was a very isolated society Geographically. This is the reason Egypt never made war with other Civilizations. They had no Neighbours. The Nile is Surrounded by Desolate and Desert regions. This only left Egypt open to Invasion by Caucasion Civilizations who are conquerers for the reason of being close to other civilizations and different people. Geography plays a major factor in deciding the characteristics of a Civilization.

Europeons can trace there history, and once I find this web-site I will post it, it provides an entire history of the white race and this will proove you and your ignourant beliefs WRONG Horus. Europeons cannot trace there history back to very early Civilizations because Indo-Ayran Caucasion Civilizations and African Civilizations came first, Europeons at this time where still in tribes including the Romans. The entire region of Europe was like this.

MR Cro-magnon,you have to know that caucasians are blond hair blues eyes only.
People with,Brown hairs ,Red hairs,Black Hairs,Brown eyes,are mixed with other race.
Absolute CRAPS,The Sumerians reffert to themselves as Brown skinned with supreme 9 ether hair texture or what we call "kinky" or "kingly" hair.
(Read The Enuma Elish and The Epic of Gilgamesh)
The caucasian have 6 ether hair texture.
The caucasian,because of his inferiority complex  has skillfully danced in and out of the truth, adding and subtracting anything that he doesn’t like! ,this is why when the American invaded Iraq,they didn't go after the petrol first,they looted all the museum of Iraq first,to try to hide evidences,because they know that The Anunnaqi's descriptions are dark brown skinned beings, with supreme 9 ether hair texture or what you'd call "kinky" or "kingly" hair. The Anunnaqi Eloheem are the "mighty ones." The very elite among the Anunnaqi are called the DINNEER, or the DINGIR, meaning "the righteous, or divine ones of the rocket ship," or ILU, meaning "the lofty ones" in Akkadian.The Anunnaqi, Eloheem, were acting as intermediaries between Earth and NIBIRU.
I Never deal with beliefs.
Beliefs is ignorance.
I deal with Facts only.

Horus you are completely wrong as to what a caucasion or a white man is. Caucasions are not just blue eyes and blonde hair you are wrong. If that where true this would only make about 15-20% of the worlds population caucasion probably even lower since more caucasion wemon have blonde hair than males. I am completley sure of this and your statement is obsured. Why do you think you know so much about us? The ones you call caucasions never started with blonde hair, In pre-history times we where originally dark haired with either brown or blue eyes. The blonde gene which causes lighter hair started as a mutation with females to attract other mates. Many Caucasion children at a young age have blonde hair and blue eyes and as they get older there blonde hair naturally darkens, I was like this. Im 100% sure you are wrong about this Horus.

Ill give you an example. My Aunt has green eyes and uncle mixed eyes or blue Im not sure but they both have dark brown hair. There Daughter was born with blonde hair and light eyes and she still has this today. So tell me how a "Caucasion child" can be born from two parents who are technically mixed because as you said people with brown hairs are mixed. To this day she still has that light blonde hair and blue eyes. That itself does not make any sense now does it? That is like saying two Hispanic people had a Caucasion child. The reason she has blonde hair is because my family has this gene that causes blonde hair. I don't know exactly how genetics work but to make it simple she must of gotten this gene when she was born.

Horus, you are actually trying to make yourself believe that the true white race has practically died off because as you know there are not many blonde hair blue eyed people. Most caucasion wemon you see with blonde hair are fake blondes. If you went to Europe Blonde hair people can be found everywhere. But the regions where they can be found in the most number is in West Germany and The Nordic nations of Norway,Denmark and Swedan. Im not to sure on Finland. These are probably the purest regions in europe retianing 100% of there caucasion genetic heritage. The rest of europe does have genetic mixtures with Africans,Arabs etc..but that genetic absortion is so little that they cannot be considered mixed. To be considered mixed or a Hybrid race you must have at least 40% of the genetics from the other race. I may also point out that African-Americans have a large europeon mixture you probably do to Horus. Light skinned blacks having up to 25% of the genetic heritage of Europeons. They themselves cannot be considered true Africans. 

It is Scientifically prooven that Caucasion peoples who may have brown eyes even black hair and tan skin are not mixed with any other race or at least very little less than 5%. The reason for them having tan skin is because they evolved in Mediteranean or the Middle East which is a hotter Climate. Since there counter parts in Western and Northern Europe evolved in a place without much sun-light at that time period they retained a much lighter skin tone. My father is italian and his origins are in the southern italian region of Campania he has tan skin,dark hair and brown eyes. His family still has individuals with a lighter skin tone and blue eyes. He is still considered caucasion no matter what pre-dominently white Country he travels to.

This is what there studies concluded. If you understand this well please read it.

Genetics

    Combined data from two large mtDNA studies provides an estimate of non-Caucasoid maternal ancestry in Italians. The first study sampled 411 Italians from all over the country and found five South Asian M and East Asian D sequences (1.2%) and eight sub-Saharan African L sequences (1.9%). The second study sampled 465 Sicilians and detected ten M sequences (2.2%) and three L sequences (0.65%). This makes a total of 3% non-white maternal admixture (1.3% Asian and 1.7% African), which is very low and typical for European populations, since Pliss et al. 2005, e.g., observed 1.8% Asian admixture in Poles and 1.2% African admixture in Germans.

(Plaza et al. 2003;
  Romano et al. 2003)

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    Similar data from the Y-chromosome reveals Italians' even lower non-Caucasoid paternal admixture. Both studies obtained samples from all over the mainland and islands. No Asian DNA was detected anywhere, but a single sub-Saharan African E(xE3b) sequence was found in the first study's sample of 416 (0.2%), and six were observed in the second study's sample of 746 (0.8%). The total is therefore a minuscule 0.6%, which decreases to 0.4% if only Southern Italians are considered and 0% if only Sicilians are considered. Again, these are normal levels of admixture for European populations (e.g. Austrians were found to have 0.8% E(xE3b) by Brion et al. 2004).

(Semino et al. 2004;
Cruciani et al. 2004)

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    52 world populations, including three Italian samples, were typed for 993 autosomal polymorphisms and subjected to a clustering algorithm. In the resulting data (excerpted below), Orange, Blue and Pink represent Negroid, Caucasoid and Mongoloid clusters, respectively. Other colors denote Austro-Melanesian and Native American clusters (omitted). Notice that the Italian, Sardinian and Tuscan samples show the same near-total membership (>98%) in the Caucasoid cluster as the Basque, French and Scottish (Orcadian) samples.

As you can see it is genetically prooven that Italians themselves have very little racial mixture from other races, let me remind you about half of that country has people with tan skin and mostly dark hair. Every other nation in Europe has less but with some countrys not much less racial mixture with another race. The reason being is Foreign invasions by either Moors or Arabs. But these occupations have done little to the country as a hole and Nordic Europeons have left a vastly larger mark of there ethnic group on the italian population. This is seen with Northern Italy being the most populated regions in Italy haveing many people with blonde or red hair, much more than the Central or Southern areas.

Small Genetic mixture's from other races is the same with most Europeon or Eastern Europeon populations. Though there are small exceptions such as Portugal or some of the smaller Eastern Europeon nations who may have a higher genetic mixture from other races. Y

You say you never deal with beliefs Horus..your so called fact saying the caucasion race is stricktly blue eyed and blonde hair only is simply obsured. It is a idiotic belief that you are telling yourself is a fact because if that where a fact it would mean that less than 20% of this world's caucasion population is considered white. Do you really believe than every white man you see who has dark hair and blue eyes or brown hair and brown eyes with light skin is mixed? Do any of you on this forum really believe that? You are either confused with what our race really is or you are lying to yourself and saying the only white man has blonde hair and blue eyes.       


As for the Sumerians you refer to them as having 9 ether texture hair, I dont know exactly what that means but is it similar to the difference between a indians (india) womens hair compared to a caucasion womens hair? 


You a probably right many Sumerians did reffer to themselves as having brown skin...though it may not have even been brown itself instead more of a lighter bauge color. Have you ever seen some of the Sumerian Statues? Have you seen the Sumerian statue with blue eyes? Caucasions played a large role in the Ancient Civilizations of Sumer. This is prooven with the Indo-Ayran Invasions. Neo-lithic farmers arrived In Sumer to start that Civilization.

Horus, I am tired of debating with you on these subjects. There is something that binds all humans together,that makes us all the same. What we want to know about who we are lies in are past. I believe Alien involvement either from other worldey humans or any other Alien race has been largley involved in humanity's evolution and development.

For the time being, it may be permissible for the Caucasians to teach occupational knowledge, jobs, and trades, along with mathematics (a universal science that speaks for itself), and subjects that no one can be deceived with. However, not subjects like history, religions, origins, etc.
They will not and sometimes cannot give others the facts about these subjects. What can they teach anyone about morals and the best way of life, when they are those who destroyed real knowledge, morals and the best way of life? They did this by suppressing and murdering darker people, lying to divide others, creating ignorance, stealing land, cultures, natural resources and heritages.
All races on this planet have had extraterrestrial involvement from the Sumerians, to the Aztecs, the Hopi, to the Aborigine, to the Egyptians, to the original Nubian Hebrews, Christian and Muslims, in the form of prophets or angels, as they say.
 However, none has come to the caucasian (the cursed seed of Canaan); to the Aryan, there has been none, so they create theirs such as Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, and Gene Dixon, who all have been proven to be incorrect in their prophecies, but they seek to kill any Negroid who appears to have the ability to lead. They are known to be killers of Negroid prophets and leaders.
So they chose to distort the history of the Dogon.
 They seek to fit themselves in a history far greater than theirs. So they say they are from Pleiades.
 And there are some among them who claim to be direct descendants of extraterrestrials, or direct descendants of prophets, such as Claude Vorilhon, who calls himself Rael, who claims that he is the last messenger of the Eloheem, and the last prophet, the shepherd of shepherds.
 And remember Yashu'a said, "See that you be not deceived, for many shall come in my name."
As recorded in the book of Yuhanna (John) the 10th degree, the 11th verse.
I am the good shepherd, the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep, and the 14th verse:
 'I am the good shepherd, and I know my sheep and I am known of mine.'"

 

I have already explained in my last post why this statement is simply obsured and a lie. You have not backed this up in your last post and have completley ignoured it. You lose Credibility if you don't back up your statements or simply avoid the question or explanation as to why it is a lie.




The Caucasion people who do teach history,religions and origins for the majority are not the enemy. They themselves like many other Caucasions or other races believe this themselves. You must understand that the Caucasion people who did manipulate history or keep its secrets, take treassures, did this to only gain more power and to continue there evil plans for the world. You must understand that it is not the entire Caucasion races fault that things where like this for darker people. We have a history of many secret orders, known as secret societies who seek to gain knowledge and enlightenment. Most of them have been influenced by the satanic and the occult, they have gotten very powerful since the middle ages have ended and the Knights of Templar disbanded. Secret societies and the Occult have influenced politics at the highest levels and as you probably know to this day it continues. If these evil satanic societies never exsisted, there would not have been such evil powers in control of all Europeon governments. Secret Societies worked covertly in Colonial times, I do not have much knowledge about what they where doing in that time but judgeing from there activities today and since the Illuminati exsisted in the Colonial era they must have had a strong influence over Europeon politics.

Know the Caucasion people who are at fault are the ones who where the ones who Oppressed such as the Colonial Occupational armies,The leaders of every Colonial power. The average Caucasion person in Europe who grew up in the homelands of these Colonial powers are no way at fault for the oppression and genocide Africans or any other race who has been a victim of a Colonial Empire.

You keep refering to us as a cursed seed, if we where so cursed, or inferior to you as you believe why has our Civilizations progressed so much ahead of your's after Ancient times? Didn't you know that the Caucasion man never set foot in the Central and Southern African regions until Colonial times? At least not a large number of us to be considered any threat. When we did Colonize much of the known world, there was no sign of an advanced Civilization Comparable to a Europeon,Asian or Middle Eastern one. I know it was our fault that this happened and it should never have, but this is human nature the strong always take advantage of the weak like I said before Survival of the fittest. Im not saying black people themselves our weak Im saying this because they where incapable of defending themselves and did not have a developed Civilization Technologically like Europeons did. This is why your people where enslaved in Africa, there was no well developed Civilization in the Central or Southern regions leaving the people of Africa venurable to anyone who may want to take advantage of them.

Answer me this and don't ignour it this time like you did saying only blondes are white, If where so cursed why where our Civilizations more advanced than yours in the 1600's and onwards? Why was there no advanced civilization in Central and Southern Africa? Remember no white man set foot there until the Colonial Era, not even in ancient times, in high numbers that is.  So ask you why was there absoulutly no advanced Civilization in the Colonial Era within Central and Southern Africa when the Europeons first came. You can't blame the white man on this one.

I though a caucasians was not only a blond hair blue eyes, but also green eye with red hair? they both lack Melanin so what differents does it make?

Anyway, I would say that nothing white people do will really ever matter at all . There point of view about life is sick and ignorant, and they not going to  be around for much longer. Everybody know that one drop of black blood or any blood from people of color would make them apart of the negro race, for there is and alway was only one race.

If scientist are saying that we are 99.99% related when it comes to genes, then why are they still saying that they are  genetically superior to people of color? Hell if the scientist told everybody in the media that we are all the same then why are people of color still being treated unfairly?

For your ignourant information not all Caucasions lack Melanin all Caucasions are capable of darkening there skin to a certian extent before they burn.  My father is tan skinned and was born tan skinned that indicates he has melanin, Now some idiot will say that the reason he is like that is because he is mixed. He is Southern Italian and considered a part of the Mediteranean stock of the Caucasion race. The reason he is considered Caucasion is because of his skull,body and the way his facial features look which fits him in with the caucasion race. This is similar to different ethnic groups in Africa, as black people are a very diverse race and there are many racial ethnic groups with various small skull differences or facial features. The reason there are no Light skinned blacks without any Caucasion or asiatic genes is because blacks all evolved in an environment where is was a very hot Climate and this caused there skin to be black. Now there are Tan skinned caucasions and Tan skinned Asians because they evolved in a Climate that was also hot and humid there for causing there skin to be darker. Many of you fail to realize that the enviourment (i dont know how many times i said this) plays a huge role in evolution and when some of you see a tan skinned caucasion you automatically say its because they where mixed with black people or someone of a darker tone. If this where true why doesn't the dominant black gene take over? Why? BECAUSE THERE IS NONE. The warm climate they developed in naturally caused there skin to tan. Why must I reapet my self so much when you people don't provide a counter-claim in an attempt to proove what I said is untrue and instead reapet the same thing saying things like whites lack melanin. For your ignourant info there ive seen many Caucasions with light eyes who have a complete tan not so much with red heads but there have been a few. This indicates melanin. Having melanin in no way makes you superior and this is nothing more than a belief by Black racists who are Afro-centric in the extreme. Having high melanin only makes you able to survive in a extremely warm climate with no trouble at all while living in a cold climate will be much harder for them. Really we are two opposites...no suprise there's so much racism and conflict especially with you idiotic Nuwaubians and other's like Neo-nazis or KKK.

You yourself are now speaking like a true racist saying that "Everybody know that one drop of black blood or any blood from people of color would make them apart of the negro race, for there is and alway was only one race". You say there was only one race? I agree blacks where the first one on this earth but other races did evolve in the different weather Climates they did to make entirely different races because of adapting to a new enviourment and continually evolving over the years. Pre-history is a very unknown point in world history and you Cannot make definate claims. Yes there very well could have been only a black race on this planet and the people that migrated around the world changed with evolving because of the place they where in. That is only a possiblity, another one is human kind could of been in a stage of evolution that no one can possibly be considered a negroid or a caucasion and those different races, or pre-humans migrated accross the world. Understand that there is no definate claim but we are certian that humans did evolve in Africa first..this is probably why black genes show quiet a bit more if someone has a child with a black man. 

You are  right there probably was only one race at a time in earth's history the black race. But you must also understand this world is was not your's and two other racial types evolved...Caucasions and Asians. Again you are wrong...one drop of African blood does not make one fully part of the African race. Even though most of there genetics may be African it still does not make them fully part of the black race. It is easily noticable, I see many light skinned black people. Im aware that a pure black womens skin is a lot smoother,different and looks really nice in my opinion but if you look at a light skinned black person they do not retain that pure negroid skin nor hair and its resemblance draws closer to a Caucasion. There are also some light skinned blacks who have mixed or even light eyes. That R&b girl Rihanna is far from being a black women just look at her skin and hair...she even has green eyes. How can you say that one drop makes them black? When in truth with most people it makes them more of a mix than a black person.

Scientists say that the white race is superior because of Racism..simple as that. They refer to us whites as having more advanced Civilizations. This is true if you refer to African Civilizations in Colonial times as I said there where none in Central or South Africa and the only advanced African Civilizations where in Ancient times in North Africa. They have argued that whites are more advanced because of our Societies and how we are more technologically advanced. Even though we did have very well developed societies compared to African societies who where still tribes, there is no evidence that a human being themselves is less capable of doing anything than another human being of another race. You must understand that culture plays a huge role in this. I have also noticed that since white racism and Superiourity of my race has begun that in more modern times a small minority of Africans like yourself have stated that blacks are and attempts to scientifically back it up like the white man did. Nuwaubians who teach black people and enlighten them as they also teach some very spiritual stuff they still hide under that cloack and most of them are Racists like any White Supremecist. Like there leader Malachi Z. York who supports racist beleifs about white people dumbing them down to an inferior status as do all Nuwaubians. Even though the group does not express simple hate like many (not all) white Supremecists groups do and they try to support there claims using biblical references and various other sources this does not change the fact that they are advocating that the black race is superior which makes them a Race Supemecy group.  Im not sure about his child molestation charges that *might* just be the works of the Illuminati/NWO controlled gouvernment wanting to frame him because they consider him a threat (people who pose a threat to the New World Order or the covert powers that control the gov are always murdered John F.Kennedy, John Lennon maybe even Tupac are examples of this.

Final word is neither whites nor blacks are superior to each other and the Caucasion Superiority beliefs is the work of Racists.

Well the person who said that your father has mix gene with people of color is correct ,However you are correct about white people. Not all white people lack melanin , but a large majority do. The pineal gland calcification in white people are greater then any other race . Without the pineal gland, ( dead or nonfunctional ) the body is unable to create the hormon called melanitin( i think thats what its called) to create melanin in the first place. Horus told you that but you ignored him.

Also let me add something that is important to the very fact that because white people have little melanin or sometimes no melanin, it can result in a very low birth rate.Why are white people the only ones that are having problems making babys? It seems like these days white people are trying to research  genetic engineering to help them make babys, I don't see people of color having any problems making babys . Melanin is such an important element to life that it is everywhere. 

White attributes their failure of reproduction to behavioral or societal reasons. However, the reason is more a biological one. melanin is present at the inception of life. A melanin sheath covers both the sperm and the egg. In the human embryo, the melanocytes (skin pigment cells) brain and nerve cells all originate from the same place; the neural crest. melanocytes resemble nerve cells and are essential fro conveying energy. when melanin is missing or insufficient in the ectoderm of the early embryo ( blastula), this cause the mother to lose here baby; in this case of white , a defective baby is produced , and over time, through inbreeding wear downs the already pathetically low levels of melanin .Reproduction stop altogether and virtual infertility is the end result. as far as vitamin D metabolization , white people have the lowest bone density of all people on the planet. the skin is supposed to convert sunlight to vitamin D because of 7-dehydrocholesterol. However, white people reflect the sunlight so that the body compensates y depleting calcium from their bones. its makes white more susceptible to kidney stones than any other race of people . The depletion of bone mass is responsible for their low bone density. it is widely regarded that black people have the strongest bones of all people from infancy to old age.

 



In nature there is really nothing superior about your so called advanced Civilization , for those very so called advancements are whats destroying this one blue earth we have.Furthermore, your "societies" and "goverments" are based on greed and war. for such a advance civilization that surpass the soo called primitive color people , you are doing a good job with:

#1 Cutting down all the rain forest trees. for your greedy materialistic societies, and even tho  you guys are replanting these types of trees. at the rate at which they are being cut , almost 88% of the rain forest will be gone in a few years?( or more)

#2 Your so called advance societies are not only destroying the Enviornment but also animal aswell. One of the most Important animal we need  in this world are bees. Without bees, how will all the plants  and food get pollinated. they are dying about because of cell phone that are destroying ther navigation senses or something like that .  I don't really know much  info about this yet because its just came out in the news so i have to get more info.

#3 Are white people superior because of there culture? NO. Infact horus is right about one thing, white people dont really have a culture of there own( nothing but greed and war).if you look at the history of white people, you'll will fine that  most of there soo called developed culture are stolen from other races aswell.  the greeks or Romans got there science and math and  basic human sanitation from the Egyptians which was a black race or poeple with dark pigmentaton.

#4 Alot of white poeple in my day said all  kinds of dumb shit just to cover up the fact that Egypt was a black civilization. At first white people said and even showed fake pictures of mummys having blond hair ( LMAO ) which is impossible because blond hair and blue eye are not even Ideal in nature to begin with . In such an hot enviornment , one will require lots of melanin in not only in the skin but in the hair and eyes as well. you may thing thats  bullshit but thats not. just think about it . Melanin  and absorb heat and light and electormagnetic enerygs, why do you think the universes is black and now white . Because the Color black can absorb infomation and its the color that lead to all the other colors ( black has all the colors together). continuing from what i  said about the lie white people use to cover up things. they even said that the egyptians where black skin but has white people face . then they say that there was no black or white people in egyptians , it was the arabs how build egypt . they Keep saying all kinds of things that sticks them in the back later on  , its soo dumb.

#5 the reason why white people have all this so called power  is not only they steal from other people ( even in your so called advance  society you have rich taking things from the poor whats so damn advance about that? Greed nothing but Greed in your race. ), but white poeple have weapons that can destroy a planet. Now what logical purpose does this bring to nature? nothing , it doesn't bring anygood to nature and life itself.we didn't see people of color trying to kill each other out of extinction all because they had different skin, we just minded are own damn business.with  all these weapons of mass destruction under the power of white people . I fear that when they are in the corner( around the time when their numbers are down to 2 % of the human population) they would use these weapons to kill use all . Why not after all , that what i expect from white people. They might have something to do with the bird flu ( population control).


I know you believe your dad and all ( hell sometime i believe everything my dad said ) but you need to open your damn eyes. You act alike nobody in the white race would do harm to people of color . Let me ask you a question .

Do you believe white people have a gene in there blood that makes them this evil( note i did not say all white people are evil , however by looking at your history , you guys really did some unhumane things that people of color didn't even do to you or other people and animals)

Aid and HIV did not come from the green moneys of Africa , it is a man made Disease  that was created for population control. Aid and HIV is only 20  years old and has no connection with other types of disease. in order for a new disease to be here it takes thousands of years for the disease to mutate. Aid and HIV has no connect or no mutated trace of other primitive disease  as those asian Scientist stated .

how did crack and all those drugs get in the black community? black people didn't have boats or anykind of big trasportation at that time to even bring such shit in there communities, but white people do .And now are race is suffering because of it.

Im not a racist im just a mad motherf***er that is sick of all the lie and all the pointless killing of my people .

Not backed it up yet do not mean that your post was ignored.(dont be paranoi).
Black hair Black eyes Brown hair Brown eyes are definitively a sign of a more important amount of melanin .This is not the original caucasian and there is race mixing here.Lack of melanin do not mean 0% melanin because the human brain need a certain amount of melanin to work.Lack in this case mean a deficiency.Blue eyes are simply eyes that lack melanin. Blue eyes are more sensitive to sunlight and do not process light or produce sight as efficiently as brown eyes. Isn’t it funny how many people place divine qualities with blue eyes that are nothing but genetically defective?.Melanin is ESSENTIAL for the efficient performance of all of the body’s natural functions. It seems a little ironic, that white people deem themselves genetically superior with the oxymoron of white supremacy. There is nothing supreme about a genetic defect. White people are merely mutated inbred albinos. This alone adds credence to them being an inferior stock. To feel better about themselves they develop totally senseless propaganda to flatter them and to make they feel better about their genetic condition at the expense of people of color.This should also convince you that all of the great civilizations from antiquity had to be started by us. White people with their recessive genes and poor reproductive systems, could not have lasted that long, seemingly that they are disappearing faster than anything now. Breeding with us, or breeding without us.
Now,the caucasian play with words concerning the classification or the definition of everything even concerning races.Present day authorities, theologians, philosophers, and so-called linguistics of European birth use several of their own languages to control your mind and entrap you in their definitions. Remember that their first holy book is the Bible or the Koran, and their second and most holy book is their dictionary; with these tools, they rule. They can decide what is true and what is false, and they can make a learnt man, look like a fool, or a liar, because they are unquestionable.
The format used is author, authentic, authority. With those three principles, everybody retreats to them to check themselves and their own culture. Whenever you look up the root of a word, and where it originated, you are always led to Greek, French, Old English, Latin, and Arabic. Most of your definitions are coming from these languages. They have you controlled by these languages to keep your mind trapped and make themselves the authorities, the authors, and thus appear to be authentic.

"When both the black and white devils seek the power to rebel
Seek to defy my radiance, I shift gears to another level" El Shaber's verse on Aziatics " I'm Back

It is written in the book of life that both all mankind including me(I'm Lebanese, Armenian and Irish), both black and whites shall seek within themselves for their self worth until they are 6 feet under the dirt with worms crawlin in and out of their shirt

Only the biased deal in terms of superiority or inferiority.
Who are YOU biased in favor of or against?
Darwinian theorist and subscribers to the theory of evolution maintain that genetic differences give rise to variation and opportunity. Some species, given the opportunity, rise due to their individual endowments and some do not.
This, some claim, is a physical fact. Man, however, being a thinking animal (at least I hope he's thinking...), is the anti-thesis to this supposed natural law. Mankind, being much less physically adept than the rest of his Earthly counterparts, constantly sought to deposit himself into situations whereby he might obtain the maximum amount of any benefit. What allowed him to do so were not his claws, teeth or natural fighting ability, but instead... His Mind.
It is not white people who are disliked, but instead the white cultural forms, which seem to be shaped primarily of arrogance and deceitfulness, that have made talks of this or of any other nature, on almost any topic unbearable and difficult, if not impossible, to have.

There are some distinct differences in the attributes of the species. Some immediately apparent, and others much more subtle. When the matter is finally settled and all things made plain and apparent, who won't be surprised? As for now... Get some business!
What is this, the Wannabee Historian & Geneticist's Corner?

wezekana...

Should i be ashamed of my biases??? Are they ashamed of theirs?? Was your MENTOR ashamed of his???

This man (Herskovitz) did his 1st paper on Africa in 1926...  Since that time it is believed that he studied and became the foremost WHITE authority on AFRICAN LIFE (this includes both Indigenous & the Envaders)... His studies detail how AFRICA grew with EURO influences... That's why the grant was given to him to develop the program (Euro-centric View) of AFRICAN studies at NorthWesternUni.... His knowledge began there in COLONIAL AFRICA, and the program runs thru' the present, with perspectives for the future AFRICA, as planned by Whites, and with the Co-operation of those of us (puppets), that cohorts with them  Real YOKES of INFERIORITY  have been placed around the necks of present day puppets and Euro-centric loving Human-oids like you, ever since they 1st invaded our LANDS.........

UNLIKE YOU, i don't buy into their "MIND-GAME" theory... Their minds & claws are inferior to ours now & it's always been that way...It's just that they work best with thowe that readily accept this condition..  Anyway, their conquest of AFRICA, AMERICA, & other places were not simply battles of wits... Their victories came with cunning, deceit & their willingness to use methods & do things, that other civilized people STILL REFUSE TO DO... GUNS, GUTS & GERMS were then their perferred Weapons of Mass Destruction... Now they've added the ATOMIC BOMB, EXPLOITATION & BIOLOGICAL/CHEMICAL GENOCIDE to their ARSENAL....

So let's not go tippie-toeing around these ISSUES man, 'cause they are REAL...  You conceded the physical aspect of this, while claiming the superior mind-set.. However you failed to prove it.... We, as a people,  think & create much better than they ever did, it's just that we didn't have the GUTS to do the things that they did to other people, just for PERSONAL GAIN...

We are learning & catching up fast; But our doing it is strictly from necessity, rather than from pure GREED... They maintain their current lofty position only because their EVIL NATURE, pushed them into doing it FIRST... We STILL have problems doing it to others....

There is a better way... We need to find that way & embrace it... i believe it's inside of us, as a  collective... We need to explore that REALM....

Now, you cme in here with quotes from two (2) white men; i would much rather embrace the teachings of Black SCHOLARS like Diop, Clarke, Wesling, Anderson, Davis, Wilson, Franklin Fannon & so many more, who shares a deeper & much more realistic approach to AFRICA & to AFRICANS & to their history from the beginning.. A History that began well before this Herskovitz was even born, and most definitely before he began his modern-day, post-colonial dessertations....

i am sure the viewpoints expressed by both sides contain very widely different & BIASED views... But aren't all views BIASED.??? Doesn't it depend upon who you choose to listen to & to become involved with???

You've exposed your biases, so i suggest that you go get another BLUNT to open up your "One Love" mind even wider, and then to sail on off into your GANGA-induced WHITE HEAVEN... And take youir viewpoint with you....

i know S U P E R I O R I T Y... Mind, Body & Soul, and we are heads above them... We don't need to know AFRICA as it relates to Christianity, or Islam; for their only purposes in AFRICA is to see who can gain the most CONTROL over the AFRICAN-Indigenous-Ones & over their RESOURCES,,,

i am going to leave you with this little thought which was inspired from a reading of a book by one of our own BLACK SCHOLARS: (PLEASE ENJOY)

"Chapter Twenty-Four

BLACK/WHITE ALLIANCES

by John Henrik Clark

If there is one thing that can be said about Black people that has caused a lot of pain, and yet is historically true, is that politically we are one of the most naive of people. We have been taken in by practically everything and everybody that has come to us. I think this taking in and this betrayal has something to do with both our weaknesses and our strengths. If you find the strengths of a people, you will find their weaknesses because the two are closely related.
We have been hospitable to strangers—nearly always to the wrong strangers! Nearly all of our relationships with non-African people began with a dinner invitation. More than anyone else in the world we repeatedly invited our future conquerors to dinner. I'm going to be dealing with Black-White alliances, going back 2,500 years.

I think that the nature of our betrayal by people who come among us, and who solicit our help and get it, tells us a lot. It tells us something that is quite frightening, i.e., we are totally an un-obligated people. We don't owe Christianity anything because we created the religion. The Jews bought it and sold it back to us and used it a basis for the slave trade. We created Islam; then, the Arabs after years of fruitful partnership with us, turned on us and used Islam to justify the Arab slave trade. We created the concept called socialism. This is established in the fact that an African king 1300 years before the Birth of Christ was preaching the same thing from the throne that Karl Marx thought he invented. When the newly found socialism used us, it turned on us.

In looking at alliances, we're looking at the Black man and his humanity and the manifestations of his humanity, in relationship to people in other parts of the world.

About 1600 years ago a group of people living in Asia, partly African, who had risen from their former status and were considered shepherd kings, put together an army and invaded Egypt. They stayed in Egypt for many years until the Egyptians could break the backs of these shepherd kings and drive then out. But many Egyptians (and I'm talking about a Black Egypt, at the time), feeling some disagreement with the prevailing status quo, took sides with the invader and permitted the invader to stay in Egypt much longer.

When the brilliant Queen Hatshepsut, one of the great women of history came to power, she drove the Hyksos out. Her mission was to remove the stamp of the invader from her country. This she managed to do. Subsequently, there were no more alliances, because the Africans went over and conquered the land of their former invaders, which caused a disruption within Africa itself. The Cushites invaded Egypt. The people of the Middle East (again, this tells you something about how we might miss certain points) were buying iron from the city of Meroe in Cush. These people made iron-tipped weapons while the magnificent army of Cush was using bronze-tipped weapons; bronze is softer than iron. With the iron bought from the Africans, they could drive the Africans out of the Middle East and begin the decline of Egypt. Once again, Africans had naively trusted an ally.

How is it that year after year over a period of 3000 years, people come into our house and manifest no loyalty to us. We are the only people who permit people to stay in our house without pledging their allegiance to us. One must be either loyal to the African house or leave it. The Greeks stayed in Africa, eating African food, sleeping in Africa's bed, eating Africa's bread for over 200 years, manifesting no loyalty to Africa. They went home and told Alexander, the so-called Great, how to come in there and conquer Africa—NO LOYALTY! All the Africans had to do was check those people out as to who they were."

-Compiled & Edited by Phillip True, Jr.
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Yes, you should be ashamed of your biases and you know it. Your judgment becomes their's when you consciously take on their methods and practicalities. Black men do not... I REPEAT... DO NOT... think, at all, like whytes or subject themselves to the same Universal Equations... and that naturally. Black men have been exempt from their 'specific' form of Godly retribution only for the fact that they react and maintain themselves differently. Aboriginals too.

wezekana....

Be REAL man... Put down that BLUNT... Dis-continue your efforts to obfuscate these issues... They are REAL ISSUES.. Our people are hurting & will continue to suffer until we as BLACK MEN recognize our SUPERIORITY, and then decide to STAND TALL, so we can relieve them of much of their pain & suffering....

We cannot do this effectively if we continue walking around in a stupor professing our LOVE for every body... While forgiving everyone for their transgressions against our people, even before they ask for forgiveness...

To seek them out & to join with them in their thing is an admission of extreme C O W A R D I C E on the part of any & all BLACK MEN engaging in this kind of activity... When they accept me as an equal to any of them, but refuse to accept all of my people, then that's an ABOMINATION not only to other poor & dis-enfranchised BLACKS, but i take it as an ABOMINATION TO MYSELF ALSO...

To do any thing else is unconscionable...  Abandoning our own kind before they are even offered an opportunity to compete, is UN-AFRICAN...  If we are not prepared to offer comfort, love & protection to all our people, before we seek universal LOVE with WHITES, then we are not worthy of our AFRICAN NAME....

You may as well reggae on off into oblivion with a white girl/guy on your arms, after first beginning the bleaching & straightening process that will help you fit in better with them...

Anyway, this forum is not about abstract white pyschologies as they pertain to AFRICANS who are stranded in a White World due to the cowardice of their MEN-folks, but is about the actual physical & mental attributes of BLACK FOLKS in general, in comparison to their white counter-parts, on an even playing field....

i am speaking man-2-man, woman-2-woman, face-2-face, skin-2-skin, mind-2-mind before the mind becomes totally white-washed with useless garbage designed to make BLACK PEOPLE assume an inferior position in the world...

You need to stand-up AFRICAN & snatch that YOKE from around your BRAIN & help find productive ways to encourage your people, rather than to continuing discouraging them into accepting poverty, disease & irrelevance as their PERMANENT STATION IN life...

PUT DOWN THOSE WHITE BOOKS, and get yourself a GOOD BLACK EDUCATION......

I quit posting on this useless forum...I don't mind that black men or wemon are standing up for there rights in the world, I encourage it. But standing up for yourself while secretly maintaining that you are the superior race will get you no where and will turn everyone against you. This is why these Afrocentrists will get no where the pride they have for there people blinds them. If Africans where mentally superior wouldn't of that reflected in there society? You must understand that being superior to another being means you will be technologically more advanced and ahead in society in every aspect. Ancient Egypt was not some godlike kingdom because there black people where superior? Ancient Persia and other Middle Eastern Civilizations who fell under Aryan influence where no different than Egypt. They to had there own advanced mathematics,Religion,Philosophy etc...Black people (pure dark skinned blacks) may have a slight physical advantage over other races but it is not much at all. If black men where so strong why could they not defend themselves from Ayran invaders in Egypt. Why where black armies slaughtered at the hands of Persians,Romans and Greeks? It was an even battlefield back then each side was at the same technological level.       

You people are not superior nor are we all humans and have the same potential. If you people where a superior race you would be the most advanced and technologically superior to every Caucasian or Asian nation in this world. If you people where superior you would have never been enslaved because Inferior beings can't take advantage of Superiors can they? If you people where so superior you would wake up and stop killing yourself in Africa. Even with Caucasians gone from Africa you people still kill each other, even when European Colonists came they witness tribal conflicts. If you are so superior why do you continue to have the pointless religious and Ethnic conflicts in Africa? Aren't superior beings enlightened and all knowing? I think not, in your case. It may feel nice to make yourself feel better but look at the state of your people in Africa and in the United States. Look closely and realize that you are not any different from any other human being and supporting your little melanin theory and superiority beliefs will never get any of you true freedom. To tell you the truth the world is not all about Race anymore, Whats happening in this world encompases everyone the governments are keeping secrets, secret societies influence global decisions. Don't you remember JFK's speech on secret society before he was assassinated my a MKULTA agent? While you people are so concerned with being free, the oppressor does not care the oppressor is to busy controlling the world and does not want you to be free. It will remain this way until something happens in this world. Your people will forever remain in chains and you can do nothing about it if the human race itself is not free from this evil and the secret society's who control this world are not destroyed. The White man remains at the top of the society's social Hierarchy and even more so the ones who control this world care about no one it does not matter if you are black or white. You are brainwashed into playing your role in society and to blindly serve them.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710662559138481080 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710662559138481080)

Hey white boi....

i know why you are here... As i said before, you can't have any more...  Go back among your own people with that garbage... And when you arrive, spread the message i pointed out in my opening post on this forum.. We need answers from your group concerning these very obvious deficiencies that GOD gave only to YOUR KIND.....

In case you have forgotten it, i'll re-post a few excerpt for you convience:

".....They are a people with-out a culture of their own; and with out a define-able skin-color... They realize all the problems they have with their skin & hair, including how soon they start to break down, (premature balding, lack of melanin, wrinkles, sagging), & the cancers....... That's an extremely high price to pay just to stay ALIVE ... So they opt for Miscegenation.... It's their only chance at SURVIVAL...




Race-mixing... Mongrel-making... Loss of Specificity... The blurring of the RACIAL-divide... They began to do this mixing immediately after leaving those caves... They knew they couldn't survive with-out it.... Their survival depended totally on us... 'Cause...




..... GOD, thru the brightness of the universe, had already sentenced them to a horrible, damp, dingy, Fungal & Bacteriological, Mold infested DEATH.... A LIFE WITH-OUT SUN-SHINE..... Imagine that... What a rancid FUTURE.... Technically, they were already DEAD.. For some unknown reason, GOD had dealt them the WORSE hand possible... Their choices were to accept this DEATH by SUN, or to RISE-UP, defying GOD'S-WILL; challenging the WORLD; laying waste to all other mankind; stealing away their inheritance; their COLOR, & their CULTURE; as they try to escape the ravages of their C U R S E.... "


Please deal with these issues openly & honestly... Explain to us how you intend to handle the real C U R S E given to your people by GOD... And please do this before you try to explain to me what a group of white men are discussing elsewhere on the internet...

Since you are a youngster, please ask your parents and/or older kin for help in dealing with this affliction....

Meanwhile, we BLACK MEN will continue our discussion here; hopefully without any further interference from you, as your kind is excluded from this very personal family matter...

Thank You & Good - bye....

Greetings in the Name of the Most High Jah RasTafari   

            Utterances of H.I.M Emperor Haile Selassie I 1st Jah Ras Tafari  With Out Apology
"Until the Phiosphy that holds one race supperior and another inferrior is finally and permantley discredited and abandoned.Until there are no first and second class citizens of any nation; until the colour of a mans skin is of no more significant, than the colour of his eyes.Untilthe basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race, the dream of everlasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be persued but never attained.Until the ignoble and unhappy regimes that hold our brothers in Angola, Mozambique and South Afrika have been toppled and destroyed.Until Afrikans stand and speak as free beings, the Afrikan Continent will not know peace.We Afrikans will fight if necessary, and we know that we shall win, as we are confidient in the victory of good over evil."

the same scales that you use to judge will be the same scales you are Judged by
Jah alone has the power to judge and give Judgement . RAS TAFARI JAH

Greetings Empress...

Thank You for your comments to this forum...  i've had a bit of difficulty deciphering your exact message since you were not using the ENGLISH that i am trained to understand... i know next to nothing about "RAS", therefore i never use that line of expression...

Parables are not my thang....

Now if you were to come at me straight up, in English, leaving religion out of it, then i might be able to engage you, if engagement, and complete understanding,  is your intent... Other-wise, i'll have to bow out of this exchange for fear of being totally lost somewhere in between what you believe to be true, and what i believe is TRUTH...

i can comment at length on things that i can see, feel, smell, taste & hear; but what each of us believe to be true is another matter... Especially, when each of us, quite possibly, believe something entirely different...

So leaving RELIGION and/or THEOLOGY completely out of the equation, i can comment on those things that both you and i know to be true, and we know these truths by using those earthly senses that were given to each of us at birth, or before...

Things i know using my sensory elements are as follows...

(1) Blacks are SUPERIOR to WHITES for the reasons already stated, and then more....

(2) WHITES, thru hook & crook, has taken a near GOD-like stance over most of the physical WORLD, as we know it...

(3) BLACKS. thru inaction & fear, has failed to use their GOD-given talents to come up with an effective counter-measure that would bring relief from the pain & suffering being experienced by BLACKS (including women & children), in every NATION of this WORLD...

(4) This CONDITION was put on us by WHITE PEOPLE...  It's hard to be a BLACK MAN with-out realizing where all this pain & suffering comes from... Even a blind man can see the source...

(5) Waiting to die & go to HEAVEN may relieve my own personal individual SUFFERING; but it will in no way effect the amount/degree of suffering that those i leave behind me, will have to go thru', due to my inaction... Unless a remedy is reached before i leave, i will have failed in my EARTHLY duties...

There are so many more TRUTHS effecting the BLACK & WHITE relationship that BLACK MEN are afraid to confront, that it makes everyone else, WORLD-WIDE LQQK at us & then snicker to themselves, about us...

And all we can do is to fall down on our knees to PRAY, or CRY... Is that to be our L E G A C Y???

Then, SO BE IT......

Your recognitions or dismissals of what is 'real' may be just as biased as I originally said they were, Will. However, I don’t blame you and wouldn’t attempt to condemn you for them. Right now, you seem to be recognizing only the embattled sides and not the game itself. The whole 'You're either for Us or against Us' argument loses all effectiveness against a free thinker. I, for one, am currently and actively engaged in the struggle for the uplifting, education and edification of all my 'people' (or my entire 'race'), on levels and in aspects that were once foreign and unknown to me and which I had never previously heard being expressed by or alluded to by any man, Black, White, Red, Yellow or Brown or otherwise. In my personage and in my thoughts I, like you, am unique.

So, should I consider myself, through this uniqueness, to be 'Superior' to you, your self, your particular identity and abilities, or anyone else's? No. Of course not. The spontaneous manifestation of thoughts in any ways similar to these would be biased even if factually correct, for they would brand one insane, egotistical, incapable of comprehending the worth of anything beyond oneself and in that, having a kind of blindness. And since you list physical accoutrements as a basis for admittance into a so called "superior" status, such a disability would immediately put one into the 'inferior' category. (Incidentally, these are the same very marginalizing and debilitating mental conditions which mar the white man's abilities, cultures and societies. I know you wouldn’t be contemplating picking up those behaviors, right? Hmmmm.)

If I fight for what is best for all sides am I a traitor? How could that possibly be? Because I choose my tools, objectives and battles differently than would you, you believe me to be unprepared or unwilling to fight? 'COWARDICE', you proclaim in big bold letters that belie very specific feelings and emotions. So, let us first, contend with those issues. Anger, is a cowardly attempt to disguise emotional hurt and dis-ease. Hatred is the by-product of irrational fear. Which owner of either of these two asinine brands of cowardice is superior? (I say this not to arouse your anger, but to show you that I do understand. I’m there often, too.)

Unfortunately, you have deprived yourself of certain senses, and that because you, yourself, have refused them. Seek love, for now... while love may still be found. Prepare for war only when you find you cannot generate love. Only then you will know what kind of person you are or have become. Only when you grow as a person do we grow as a ‘race’. We go in and out of self imposed, contriving, and unexpressed ideals, straight into realizations and consciousnesses the likes of which most sciences claim could not exist. In this Temple, the one that you call Man, Brother Will, is a presence as confessed, as ratified and as blessed as the incense that wafts ever about my head. The Son of Man is my abode and the very continuation of my existence is proof of my distinguished status as one who has not ‘obfuscated’ issues, but who has instead chosen to exit the world of lies on the principle of truth. Ask any or all of my children. They are here with you and are all around you, searching for the truth, just as you are. Are any of them inferior? Or have you any ‘REAL’ (as you say) idea of who they are or what they do?

That which has a beginning is subject to an ending. Let anger and sorrow be so also. Continue to learn and grow, seeking knowledge with the expressed intent of its dissemination. Love upon love, Precept upon precept. Here a little. There a little.
I would also have you understand that my 'race' is the entirety/entity of Mankind, and that by no means does any separation exist therein except in such as have created it within themselves and within their own minds. They are bound by policies that they themselves, not nature, have instituted and erected. Neither can any enemy be ‘SUPERIOR’, for then one would be the Victor and one the Vanquished.

Discontinue attempts to exalt the Orb of Human Knowledge above the Sun of Divine Sight, the education gained in the latter is to be found nowhere in any of your earthly textbooks, black or white. It lies strictly within your self. 

wezekana...

i know not why you try to draw me into a position of sameness with you, and/or your counterparts... That is not me, and you should be shame to advocate such a policy... Especially when looking upon the remnants of the BLACK HOLOCAUST..

Man, can't you see the thousands of BLACK kids, not only in AFRICA, Jamaica and the Carribean standing around with nothing to do and no-where to go, after being marginalized to death by this system that you are attempting to sell us as OURS, eventho' it has EURO-CENTRIC stamped all over the face of it... But when you really open your eyes to look around you, you'll find that this condition exist in every BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD, throughout this WORLD, where BLACK PARENTS, both men & women, have been beaten down into submission by those very same people that you are so in LOVE with, and spend your every waking hour chasing, in an attempt to show them how MUCH MORE YOU ARE LIKE THEM, than you are LIKE YOUR OWN PEOPLE...

Why seek universal LOVE and ACCEPTACE from them, when BLACKS are dying by the thousands, in OUR COMMUNITIES, each and every day....

Why not seek ACCEPTANCE from YOUR OWN KIND??? PLEASE stop the lip service about your close association with their GOD... SHOW some LOVE and CONSIDERATION for US and OUR GOD....

Before you spend so much time inducing some little white kid and his/her "MOM" into accepting you individually at face-value, why not spend as much,or more time exclusively in our neighborhoods, in a hands-on-effort, to bring smiles and happiness to some BLACK kids and to their "MOM" faces....

Aren't we and our condidtion as important to you as is your SOLIDARITY with them????
i'd like to reiterate my charge of COWARDICE at this point... The reason being that you, like myself, reached that point in our development where we had to choose a path to follow... We had to make a choice about what we wanted to do, or needed to do, to find inner-peace... We also wanted our choice to be a noble one... Something that was rewarding both to ourselves, and to our communities...

We needed to prove ourselves as men... As contributing members to our  group... We had to move forward without leaving them behind... NO ONE WANTS TO JUST UP AND WALK AWAY FROM HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS, without at least some sort of explaination... Many have, but MUST I??? MUST YOU???  Would i be one those who "punked-out???? Would i turn my back on MOTHER AFRICA and all her people, purely for personal gain, coupled with the fact that i was too SCARED TO DO OTHER-WISE????

It's not against the LAW to work on behalf of BLACK PEOPLE...  WHITES ddo it all the time for their PEOPLE(s)....

You are not the first to abandon your people, leaving them in abject poverty, diseased, starving and dis-enfranchised... Being unable, and/or unwilling to sacrifice on their behalf,  you choose to go the "SLICK-ROUTE", by encouraging them to fore-go any aspirations for fulfillment in this life-time, and to concentrate ONLY on that LIFE after this one ENDS...

You mimic all of the WHITE-MAN'S socialogical/psychological/theological concepts destined to get his people to work within their system, for the good of their system... This entails that we accept the SATATUS-QUO... That we not buck against any laws or proclaimations issued for the majority, eventho there is absolutely no benifit to be gained for us there-in...

Just SUCK-IT-UP, and be nice to them, for their GOD will punish them in the here-after for all the transgressions, and omision, that they took against the GOOD, GOD-FEARING BLACK PEOPLE....

Under your teachings, we must rid ourselves of all biases, impurities and ill-feelings toward them; regardless of any and all atrocities they committed aginst us... We are to forgive them SLAVERY and seek no retributions or reparations... This is not what their GOD wants us to do.. OUR REWARD will come later-on in HEAVEN....

There is no need for us to read, write, research, interpret or translate for ourselves from a BLACK PERSPECTIVE, as WHITE PEOPLE are capable of doing all these things for us, and they will inform us when they have more information available for us to digest...

i am told by BLACK SCHOLARS that we BLACKS are the original people & that we started civilization and most of what followed it... And that WHITES, thru hook&crook were able to steal it all away from us....

While WHITE SCHOLARS, who are charged with the so-called authentic-authority to translate and disseminate factual information, may in fact have mis-led & abused us mightily, we are entrusted by their GOD to TAKE THE HIGH ROAD; and then in DEATH, he and he alone (their GOD) will exact revenge on our behalf.....

wezekana, please MAN tell me, that you are only JOKING....And that you only want access to white women in such a manner that, BLACK WOMEN won't be able to single you out.... Isn't that RIGHT MAN?????

Yeah, i know you are joking, 'cause there's no way, while knowing to what extent BLACK PEOPLE  are suffering, that  you can turn your head  and LQQK THE OTHER WAY....

i just don't believe a good BLACK MAN can do what you say you are doing... i don't...

Please, don't OBFUSCATE... i am not interested in our starving, diseased BLACK SOULS right now... i am interested in filling their bellies, restoring their health and in putting smiles of fulfillment on all their BLACK FACES.... HEAVEN CAN WAIT....

I do not apologize, Brother Will, for attempting to draw you into positions of sameness with myself. Our views, at this point, may differ at various angles, but what you fail to recognize is the fact that, in essence, our goals are the same. I merely wish to present to you a wider view of the issue. Yes, Will I do see the thousands of BLACK children languishing without proper care under the disease of racist ideology, BUT I ALSO SEE ALL THE OTHER CHILDREN OF THE EARTH LANGUISHING UNDER THE SAME DEBILITATING CONDITIONS AND I AM NOT PARTIAL IN MY STANCE ON THE WELFARE OF CHILDREN REGARDLESS OF THEIR COLOR. This tribute made possible by my African heritage and its original, total way of life. For the life of me I cannot see where any racist black ideology is any better than any racist white one. Why do you support this apparent sameness and denounce the one you have with me? This is most perplexing.

You assumption that being Pro-Black also means being Anti-white is hurtful to your own mission and is it my opinion that such childish beliefs will keep us, regardless of our wishes for solidarity and upliftment, in a perpetual state of agitation that will, in turn, make every attempt at the edification of the community a worthless endeavor. Too much energy is being expended thinking about the white man and what he is doing. Too little energy is actually being used doing something about the problem (And the problem has never been the white man but instead has been our tendency to be easily split by him into opposing factions).

I am with action, just not under the coercive banner of racism, which truly is a white concept, Will. That you should know. White scholars, black scholars… Whose knowledge is more complete or accurate? White god, Black God? What have I to do with the Bible? Nothing written in any existing Holy Scriptures can verify or deny who or what I am and I am far from deluded by religion. There are, however, certain aspects of human existence that are not mapped out by the physical countenance of man or his dissertations and this many have seem to have forgotten. When the matter is finally settled and all accounts closed I wish none to be taken unawares as to the true nature and purpose of life. 

You will not find EURO-CENTRISM anywhere on me, Will. Under my teachings, all must rid themselves of bias, impure thoughts and ill-will toward their fellow man; regardless and in spite of any atrocities they may have committed against us... this does not mean aligning ones self with any enemy or smiling all in their faces and trying to ‘suck-up’, but instead instituting forgiveness and recognizing individual attempt and merit and not abusing its presence with irrational, outdated, unproductive thought processes.

Incidentally, what retributions for slavery do you seek, Will? Are you quite informed as to the meaning of the word ‘retribution’, Will? The old adage ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth’ sufficeth none but the hard of heart? Or do you have an even more grandiosely wicked agenda? These are not my tactics and I hope you do not succumb to their ilk either, as we both know who uses these tactics. Why do you support this apparent sameness and denounce the one you have with me? This is most perplexing.

The fact that we each have been endowed with a brain necessitates our need for individual mental stimulation and growth.  Reading, writing, researching, interpreting and transliterating for ourselves from a HUMAN PERSPECTIVE, and not as RACIALLY CODEXED PEOPLE, will give us the ability digest pertinent information and more readily expose negative, self-interested philosophies... which, incidentally, as a Black Activist or as a Man engendered to the benefit of ‘the People’ you must shun. I know nothing of Heaven, but ZION (or THE TEMPLE WHICH IS MAN) cannot wait.

Excelsior, William.

On a parting note, Homie… I’m not into white girls.

Peace and Oneness,

I happen to be browsing for some sites that could offer serious commentary about African people. I wanted to know about different ones opinion about the issue of melanin, not so much whether it makes one superior, but how it connects every person to the black race. I am clear. I am not posting to have my questions answered. But to ask of the two brothers that have corresponded back and forth in an apparent debate over seemingly the same principal foundation...is there love in your heart when you express your debate?

As I was reading the post, I felt the energy in my spirit (and I'm not talking about the "holy ghost") shifting back and forth. I could feel the evident tug of war between your two spirits. One, was in love meaning where I could feel the love, and the other while I know the love is the basis, the dominant energy was anger.  An anger that is so understood by so many that come before any of us, and overstood by many of us now. And while anger is an often misunderstood emotion(not always to be associated with weakness), it does not change the fact that both of you Black Kings have very valid points.

You are both saying the very same things, but in a different way. That you both LOVE YOUR PEOPLE. Do not give way to negativity and give the would be devils of all races what they want by witnessing more division within the African race.  When it comes to races there are many, when it comes to opinions there are many, when it comes to truth, there is but one that stands undisputable. That we are connected mind, body and soul to the Universe.  We are made up of the birds and bees the water and the trees. That, is the truth I know.

Many men have claimed many truths throughout time. There is an end to every beginning. Science and Politriks just like science and religion have become as one entity now, taking and borrowing from each other to validate each other's stance. This too, has been throughout time.

We live in a world that is becoming depleted and dried out becasue of MANKIND. In everyone's quest to proove superiority, we destroy the life within and without the life that sustains us. Knowledge of self is nice yes, but it is more what you do with it that defines who we are. Even the universe is not superior to us because we are of the universe. Whether you choose to include spirituality or not, that fact still remains. And whites just like any and all other cultures are part of the same universe.  War has always been and always will be in some form or another, you men proved that to me today. But war is not always a bad thing, depends on the nature of the war. There is nothing WRONG with fighting for what is RIGHT. And there is nothing WRONG with a one love approach to TEACHING.  There are warriors, and there are scholars. Those that beleive in God and Angels know that when God wanted was, he sent a war angel. Everybody has a position. You brothers remind me of Malcolm and Marcus in your deliveries. Both stood for the same cause, only took different approach.

To the brother, I am not sure if I understood your comment about Rastafari in it's proper context. I know you stated that you knew very little about Rastafari. And I agree, if there is debate then the sides should always remain clear, not mixing ideology, religion, or issue that are not specific to the question at hand, where it does not belong. I am a Rastafarian Empress,  also a reggae singer and musician, who purely found this site by accident, but I was intrigued but what I was reading.  I'm not sure why you made some of the comments you did, if they were directed at someone that you feel is not purely living the faith, or if this is the overall impression that you may have concluded. I am in defense of no one but Haile Sellasie who was not a ganja smoking reggae artist. I ask you, do some research on Haile Sellasie, Jamaican culture, Rastafarianism in Jamaica and abroad, and the culture of Reggae music and this may give you a wholistic impression. Sadly enough, here again is another mixing of things by individuals that may not be living the life. But the false teachers will be exposed and dealt with accordingly. Rastafarianism itself is the movement...it is the ones and ones that dwell within that movement (like any other movement), that not only define themselves, but ultimately Rastafari.

I hope you can feel the love that radiates from my heart as I type these words. A universal love that I draw from the sun, wind, and air. I draw it from the trees and from other human beings. I hope that as we all come together to express views that it is done in love, because knowledge alone can only make us wiser, but it is LOVE that will make us stronger. You are brothers, mind, body and soul. And like brothers from the same mother, you may not always agree, but there is something...something that brews deep within both of you, that hunger...that thirst for righteousness. Let Africa be our nourishment, and let our spirits be our guides.

In closing, I often search the net for world news on freedom, inequality, famine and other issues as a writer and musician, I am glad I came across your site for it has given me a next inspiration.

Bless

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BTW feel freedom to listen my tune "Have Faith In Jah" at www.myspace.com/sistahfiyah

this tune address this very thing you are discussing.Bless.

Will... I agree with Sistah Fiyah. I apologize if I have caused to arise in you any negative feelings. I wish to continue henceforth forward as brothers-in-arms. I am sorry.

Greatings, I man must say thats the way forward if we are to reach to our ivine destiny. Sistren you are a reminder of how I I-ncient foreparents handled situations with wisemind. Brothers much love and respect to you too, Wezekana Hongera!(congrats)
Love and raspect to all!

Sistah Fiyah & Bro. wezekana...

Thank You both for your kind words, and for your reach towards conciliation..  i want you both, as well as all other Bros. & Sistas on this medium, to know that i hold no ill-feelings or malice towards any of you...My sole purpose for being here is not to find "LOVE" as suggested by wezekana, but to spark a feeling of 'Self-Love" & "Self-Determination" WITHIN OUR GROUP...

Sure Religion & Spirituality are GREAT EXPERIENCES... But are they feeding & healing our children in GREAT numbers... Are all our BLACK lives being improved by them, or, are we simply being led into a false state of serenity, where we can sing, pray and smoke ourselves into oblivion; while we forget about this TRAGEDY, that is our LIFE...

Why do we need solidarity with all RACES, when BLACK neighborhoods, everywhere in this UNIVERSE are mostly run-down, dirty, smelly dumps... Streets are filled with trash, guns, drugs, bums, beggars, rapist & pedophiles.. We can't safely walk the streets anymore, let alone send our children out there by themselves...  We must arm ourselves and/or be ever watchful when-ever we dare to leave the sanctity of our homes...

We can't even provide enough employment for our own people to give them a chance to become useful productive citizens, in any country... We have to depend completely on others to help us out, after they first help-out their own people... Obviously, most of our Teachers, Preachers & Leaders are good at comforting us with smooth, soothing words that helps to up-hold the STATUS-QUO..

But their pockets are lined with GOLD, while most of ours are EMPTY... A lot of us don't even have any meat or potatoes in the pot, or bread on the table... It makes me wonder if those we entrust with our LIVES are really on our side, or if they are actually AGENTS of the SYSTEM, who's JOB it is to keep us in line??? Sometimes, it's pretty hard to tell...

PEOPLE, we DESERVE a  BETTER DEAL .... i'm sure, a good, just GOD didn't intend for it to go down like this.... So what happened???? Why us???? Why this???

i don't want to go off on a RANT, or any thing like that, but dang.. people.... What we are doing right now - just ain't working for us... We need to make some major changes... We need to re-assess where we are right now, and then to STEP-UP and begin to make things happen for ourselves...

i mean how do we, a collective people, all descendants of AFRICA, find ourselves content, and at PEACE with the WORLD,  while currently residing at the feet of the rest of man-kind... Our people as a whole gets no respect from any corner of this UNIVERSE...

If GOD is with us, then he/she has a very strange way of showing it.... Obviously, we are following the wrong GOD.... We can do this bad all on our own......

O.K., Brethren, I am am not O.K. with the world. Let us work collectively. What do you suggest. Between us, our presumed (by me) distances. Our collective goal... What can we do together to make that difference that we both desire. I'm with it. Let's talk.

wezekana....

That's all i have been doing in this forum is talking, but you've been opposed to everything i've said... i mean that's why you are here, isn't it?? Because you heard me speaking, right???

How about you go back over some of what i had to say, to see if you can come up with a better response, cause, i am about talked out...

If you couldn't agree with any thing i said so far, how did you manage to reverse yourself so completely & so fast??????

ummmmmmmmmmm... That makes one wonder a bit about this "New You"....

Here's a link to check out about our situation.. It really makes one think.... check it out, if you DARE....

click here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yghDkZOrbJA)

"BLACKS DIVIDE ALONG CLASS LINES"

Here is an exerpt from an article in the L.A.TIMES detailing the division from a white perspective... Follow the link below the article to read the whole thing....

WASHINGTON -- A majority of black Americans blame individual failings -- not racial prejudice -- for the lack of economic progress by lower-income African Americans, according to a survey released Tuesday -- a significant change in attitudes from the early 1990s.

At the same time, black college graduates say the values of middle-class African Americans are more closely aligned with those of middle-class whites than those of lower-income blacks, the poll by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center found.





http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/la-na-nuvalues14nov14,1,2887373.story?ctrack=1&cset=true


Does education = division??????

I've not been opposed to everything you've said, and I haven't reversed myself at all, Will. Conciliation is my goal. Let us see how far you will go to oppose that.

i am not opposed to CONCILIATION at all.. With us, it will be difficult at first, but we can work thru' that.... First as a starting point, since you are not OPPOSED to EVERYTHING i've said... Let's go back thru' the post to find those things that we do AGREE ON...

Ummmmmmmmmm... i can't seem to find anything...

Perhaps our biggest hurdle is our belief systems... We serve different GODS... We aspire to different heights..  And the hardest issue to deal with is our sight... We can both, u & i, be LQQKing at the very same object, but in our minds eye, we see two (2) entirely different things...

Why is this????

It's hard for me understand this being we share the same MOTHER... Mama AFRICA bore us both; but we were snatched at birth, separated, and dealt to different foster parents; each of us were raise to dis-trust our kin & to dis-respect our Mother... We each know this is WRONG; but still we do it because they ask us to...  Maybe that's why today, we find ourselves standing on the opposite sides of the STREET, THROWING STONES AT ONE ANOTHER... It's sooooo S A D....

If only we could just RID OURSELVES of all this 'FORIEGN CRAP'; and return home to MAMA, then i am sure she would help us get to the point where HEALING CAN TAKE PLACE.....

Barring that, nothing's possible, 'cause we are serving different MASTERS...  You feel yours is RIGHT... i know mine is RIGHT... So what are we gonna do????

Do you give up yours and accept mine,; or, do i abandon mine in favor of yours????  What's it to be 'my Brotha'???? Your GOD, or mine????  Or maybe we can just go home, committed to working it out, with our Mother "AFRICA"....

i'm sure,  that once the FAMILY is RE-CONCILED, nothing will stand in our way... "UTOPIA" would be immediate.....

We will find a way, Brother Will (Power).

No wezekana...

We neva' will... That is, not as long as you continue to value your relationship with Whites as 'MORE IMPORTANT to you, than is your relationship with me & with the millions of other AFRICANS that they have effectively separated you from....

This is the best example EVER of their "Divide & Conquer" concepts... (And it's working really good for them toooo...)


"They've played with our psyche sooooo much - that we've become scatter-brained"...

"Bon Voyage" my long lost Brotha'... Enjoy your romp thru'  "WHITEY'S-VILLE", while i go on back home to our Mama, ALONE.....

Will... is this the only topic you found the wherewithal to respond to today. Wowzers, good buddy! Such vehemence! Such anger! You desire to stoke flames, yes? Well... that's interesting.
Let me just see if I overstand what you're saying.

William's Claim #1.
White people have erected a wall between us (black people).

That's funny. I thought I was talking to you in here and I could've sworn that it was you alone who refused my attempts at conciliation, Brotha Will. But, I guess I was wrong. I guess it was the white people. (Yeah, the white people in your head. lol)

William's Claim #2.
I value my relationship with whites more so than the one I share with my own people.

Yeah, cause I'm not actively involved in the struggle to eradicate white supremacy and racist theologies on all accounts, even in the black arena, and, apparently, you are. I know, I know. Often when black men talk to me I try hard to negate their feelings, ideas and opinions and instead impose my own thoughts which, regardless of their validity, I press forward with to the chagrin of all onlookers. That is supremest nature is it not?
I'm like a white man aren't I, Will? I just have no respect for others feelings. Luckily for us all, you have lots of experience in the area of relating to and exposing white culture for what it is, huh? Incidentally, Bill, how is your adopted family? 

William's Claim #3.
This is an example of the white man's "Divide & Conquer" technique.

No, Will. This is an example of a scarred black psyche's painful attempts at self-recognition. Projecting is what it is called. Covering our own self conceived short-comings by finger-pointing and name calling. At this point I won't blast you for it. I'll just tell you you're wrong and leave it at that.
Right now, Billy-boy, YOU are the problem. You with your asinine, immature assumptions, your worthless bickering, your lack of cohesive thought, your disloyalty, disunity and primarily your unbound anger which has sparked in you racist ideologies and not the pro-active spirit so necessary in these times. Coincidentally, this is the true reason why black men, women and children suffer and not because of any scheme that white men could ever conceive. It was ever our disunity and not their treachery that led us to these ruinous times... and that you should know.

William's Claim #3.
They've played with our psyche so much that we've become scatter-brained".

Not I, Brother Will, and I don't believe you either, although wallowing in self pity and emotional unreality has led many to the precipice of insanity. Will, you don't just seem to hate white people... you seem to hate anyone with an opinion different from your own! 'White people did this. White people did that'. Man, f@$k white people! Get back on track with black! You are in a black man's forum and YOU, not white people, are causing this dissension. Think about it.

At one point I began to wonder whether you were simply an agitator... A white man in disguise coming into a black man's forum to misinform and mis-educate, but I sensed the pain in your words. How do you go on like that? Holding all that in. Your precious soul seems hurt and that hurts me, Will. Oops, I went all religious. I'd better stop. Will doesn't like that. Choo!

Are the white people in your head, Will? Apparently so. That's all you talk about. They are occupying too much of your gray matter's resources and you know it. Maybe 'scatter-braining' or confusion of thought and purpose is what they have done to you, but don't you come in here projecting your own feelings of inadequacy onto me. I emancipated Iself past all that nonsense long ago. The problem with the black man is not the white man. How could a mere 12% of the global population rule the rest of the world unless internal cohesion and unity was the problem. Where are you on that, Will?

You even seek to disrespect me personally, alluding to the types of relationships I have and where my primary interests lie. You're making a fool of yourself as far as I am concerned. Why presume to speak upon what you know not? You claim to want umoja but every time I extend the hand of brotherhood to you, you smack it away and claim it was the white man's fault. You're tainted. The white people are in your head, Will.

You sir, regardless of the claims you make about what whites are doing, are more of a separatist than they. You 'alone' on your way to the Motherland is not a community and neither is your opinion the final say on matters or do you think you speak for all black peoples everywhere. When you reach 'home' you will not be alone. There will be many different attitudes and ideas there with you. Will you fight against them too?

"Kwa heri" my brother who sees not those standing beside him nor those in defense of him. Even with your eyes open you are blinded... for now. Regardless, wadada and nakupenda, William... and I will remain here waiting.

Weze

Neva said i wasn't a separatist, or that i am not extremely "PRO-BLACK"....  I am very BIASED towards BLACK-PEOPLE... AND, AS I TRIED TO POINT OUT TO YOU, WE ALL SHOUD BE.... Because from the conditions that we find most BLACK PEOPLE, WORLD-WIDE, living in, GOD KNOWS, that someone should be EXCLUSIVELY pulling for us....i find that:

Theres something very wrong with this picture...... Don't you find something WRONG with it??? And you (SIR) are supposed to be a LEADER of MEN....

I'm sorry. I am glad you work for we, Will. I'm just tired of fighting. I think the world of you, I just don't want one who is so valuable to be controlled by hatred. I apologize again, Brethren.

Sorry, huh?? No, i don't think so WEZEKANA..  Your words are very deliberate and calculating... They were  designed with purpose in mind.. 

HATRED is not my word... Nor has it eva' been... You brought that here to this forum...  So you claim it for yourself, or go hang it on someone else...

My words contain "LOVE"...  Specifically, "BLACK LOVE"... Sometimes "Pro-Black LOVE", or "Exclusively-Black LOVE"... You see it's neva' hate with me... It's always LOVE, for and with my PEOPLE.... Let's not get it all "TWISTED"..  "HATE"  has neva' been my call...  But i can understand that this is becoming your way of under-mining a BROTHA & his MESSAGE... When you can't get done with reasoning, you resort to negativity and name calling..  Character assigination are among the lowest weapons of warefare, since it causes your opponent to stoop to levels way beneath his dignity.. Slinging feces is never a pleasant task, being we will al become soiled in the process...

But since you are so eager to enter the arena of attacks on persons as a means of winning a debate, then i guess i must folow there too, or run...  Which is it to be, 'Cause i am repulsed by the message that you are so secretly bringing to those that can't see thru' all the SMOKE & HAZE surrounding you...

You are so use to dealing with people that have become so crippled by their own failed experiences, that they will accept anything you say to them at face value...  But please understand 'preach', it doesn't work with everyone...   i'm one of those, that don't do GANJA.. The holy HERB... That's only for those that can't find their 'man-hood', in the normal manner..

And i am really not feeling personal attacks as a means of winning a debate with my own misguided Brotha, but if you can suppose to know my purpose and my heart - then surely, i can have a go at you and yours...  For i too, am loaded with questions, opinions and suppositions concerning your motives here, and into the mind-set of those that surround you...

Am i mistaken in assuming that this is really a true "reasoning forum", and that one is free to question, or expound on ideas and/or theories that he is either very familiar, or maybe not so familiar with... Or is it the policy around here for those with different ideas and agendas to be jumped on, 'gang-bang' style and driven from the confines of this arena, less they conform to what's being taught..

If that's the case, then why not label it that way, no posters will know, and can "KEEP IT MOVING"....

I appreciate your opinion, Will. If I was rude, again I apologize. Enough bickering. On a more productive note... Are you familiar with this site?
http://www.thecode.net/

Incidentally, have you taken a look at the number of views to this post. 2300 as I last entered. The next most active is about 3 or 4 hundred. Only two people talking in here, so what're they all so interested in Will? The prospect of a fight between two brothers? I have an idea. Let show them something else. Email me...
Wezekana@yahoo.com

wezekana....

It's G R E A T... That people are interested in this conversation.. i only wish they had the where-with-all to come forward and  speak their TRUE inner-feelings about this issue... i know many people will go along  with a relative, friend or other person just to be in the group, without ever thinking deeply about what it is that they are getting into, until it's to late...

So many of us loose our way by following the wrong person or doctrine... Many will say, if it feels okay and it's not causing any physical pain, they why not go along with it, 'cause nothing else is working for me right now...

Others will step back and say, "there is a better way", and they'll look for it, and when they find it, they'll jump on it... Nothing was ever gained for FREE... No PROGRESS was ever made with-out STRUGGLE... No one will give you anything of VALUE for FREE... You've got to GET-UP and "WORK for CHANGE"..

As AMERICANS love to say, "FREEDOM is not FREE - You've got to FIGHT for it"...

And that's something most of our present LEADERS will never advocate... And why is this so??? Because they've become educated by the EURO'S & have assimilated completely into this EURO-CENTRIC mind-set, and have been  transformed into a BLACK-white person..  Their education & degrees gives them power & privilege over you, much like the power & privilege their MENTORS have over them...

They are being PAID to MAINTAIN the STATUS-QUO.... (anyway they can)..

If it involves lying to you, sedating you, or just slipping you down a slippery slope, then they will do that...  They will do or say what-eva' it takes for them to maintain their position over you... i don't read or believe in the BIBLE because i know the original scripts, if ever there were any, have been altered, or at worse destroyed, to prevent you from ever knowing the TRUTH...

The REASON i know this, is because the WHITE MAN is/was in control of the original translations, and that he intentionally lied about them, to slant the WORDING in his FAVOR... Just as every other document, picture, artifact or civilization, was distorted or destroyed, so was this BIBLE...  If eva' it was TRUE... It is not TRUE any longer... It has been incorrectly TRANSLATED, thereby corrupting it FOR-EVA' & EVA'... It has BEEN WHITE-WASHED... As such, it is USELESS....[/u]
<p>And all who rely on it's authenticity has like-wise been BRAIN-WASHED by the WHITE-WASHING...
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Case in point... When any so-called Christian holds another human-being in servitude for any period of time, and while holding this person, he abuses them in any number of ways to force them to do their biddings without adequately compensating them, then how is this not a SIN before their GOD...

Did their GOD give them a FREE-PASS for this type activity????

Now both the SLAVE & the SLAVER-OWNER/HOLDER/MAKER kneel down and pray to the the same, or to a similar GODHEAD... (some people will say their GOD differs because he is called by a different name; or that he is a different color; or that they use a slightly different text)... But don't be fooled... It's the same GOD & is serving the same purpose... That purpose is "CONTROL OVER PEOPLE..."

Well, i'll stop there, but if i had to alter my mind-set, thru the use of DRUGS, in order to believe, follow, or join a group, or an activity; i'd have to LQQK FOR A DIFFERENT PLAN.... <BR><P>

The only thing DRUGS will do for me, is to make me forget about the horrible condition that me, and my love ones are living in.... And when i wake up in the morning,(SOBER) reality will slap me in the FACE, ONCE AGAIN....

i don't need DRUGS man, they are only temporary...  What i need is permanent CHANGE.....

i don't care what anybody say's, MIND-ALTERING DRUGS & GOD does not go together...  There is a BETTER WAY...
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And weze, i looked at that site that you suggested... i can't use anything like that.... i don't need help learning how to live in a RACIST WHITE-WORLD... That's what i am trying my HARDEST TO ESCAPE...  And i hope i can do it with-out having to get HIGH...

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yeah email sounds FINE... But i'm still hoping others that have been follwing this discussion will decide to JOIN IN, to make the EXCHANGES even more meaningful....

peace...

It is basically common knowledge now that white people are mutant albinos and now this video gives reassuring evidence of that. Please view it and let me know what you think!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hcRUvEog_U

Horus...i watched it several times, and while i can agree with much of what's being said, i think it falls somewhat short of providing iron-clad evidence... i'd like to be a part of, or see the undisputable results of studies & experiments that proves these points conclusively, while being conducted, analysized & controlled by our experts, without the results ever being touched, tainted, altered or destroyed by so-called white experts....

i can no longer TRUST them to bring forth TRUTH any longer, and i am SURE when we began to do all the WORK ourselves, we will immediately begin to see BETTER RESULTS...

And oh yeah, there are some interesting videos on that site displaying AFRICAN ALBINOS intermingling in AFRICAN SOCIETY... This indicates that if they indeed lived in separate SOCIETIES earlier on, and pro-created as separated groups, then it's quite possible that that was the REAL BEGINNING  of these present day MUTANTS...

Thanks for the video, it was appreciated...

Over 10 thousand of you have stopped by to review this discussion since I last posted here... But still you've FAILED to join the discussion, or to offer any concrete HELP that will rasie us as a PEOPLE from the mess we've allowed others of this world, to put us in....  We stand aside, as a defeated PEOPLE, waiting for them, to tell us what to do next.... Is this to be our only legacy???  Don't we have any REAL MEN among us???? Can't we PROTECT our own WOMEN & CHILDREN??? And the LAND that is our INHERITANCE????

I remain extremely frustrated by the absolute INACTIVITY of BLACK PEOPLE.... Especially when it comes to getting up off of it & banding together to find a way to assist our smaller & weaker siblings STAND on their OWN FEET, with-out the ASSISTANCE of WHITE PEOPLE....

The fact that only a few BLACKS have elevated themselves, with an assist from their WHITE MENTORS, is not proof positive that CHANGE has taken place..... Proof of CHANGE is when BLACKS the world over can feel PRIDE in themselves, for having joined-in & helped others of us (BLACKS), share in the same goodies that the most affluent people(s)of the WORLD,  enjoy on a daily basis.....

When we can all awaken each morning, have a productive day, adequately nourish & educate our children, as well as others do... Only then can we happily bed ourselves comfortably each night, eagerly awaiting the next morning SUN/SON, knowing that we have succeeded; and have MANNED-UP to those that would deny us the RIGHTS to our FAIR-SHARE of the WORLDS RESOURCES...

We too have our RIGHTS, don't we??? After-All, aren't we PEOPLE tooooo????? I thought so.......

Will, it is sometimes wise to be quiet.
Personally, it's not a question of anyone being superior. Black, white, mixed-race or asian.
Why the need to prove ourselves to anyone? why do you find it necessary to try and accepted as equals by the white race?

i am aware "team-work" is better as you have stated, but I believe we cannot all lead the same struggle. everyone is a leader in their own capacity, their own personal struggle.

If people find it necessary to respond, they will. But no one is obliged to respond to show that they involved in the struggle.
Anyway, how sure are that people arent using these responses in their every life?

 ::) ohh boy,what we need is afrikan wholistic healing to cure our yurugu psychosis,because they have been around our ori,aura for so long, we have to de colonize ourselves and free ourselves from their grips( mentally speaking) empress she is beautiful hue mani, she is in the motherland, another occupied zones of afrika, u two look like two little boys fighting ::) there are pedophiles in senegal raping and molesting little boys,pedophiles in south africa, u should be discussing how to remove the cancer and not how to make it grow,wezekana and will needs afrikan wholistic therapy,fo real and i am being the realest in tha house,we have bigger problems in our hands in the motherland, in brazil, in amerikkka,two grown man acting like school kids, there are empresses and queens in dis house,how are u two suppose to impress the fine sistahs in this ile/abode with arguments like dat,this will turn the sisters off,we  need to heal ancestral wounds and sounds to me wezekana has some issues of his own to solve( only u know what it is) and will has issues to solve, i have my own to solve to,wasting time to cross argue in internet board, doesnt make any sense.
may be somebody here can reffer people to afrikan wholisitic therapy,
anyone seem to care!

"Aside from the Kingdom of Heaven, there is no race that is superior to another."

- H.I.M. Emperor Haile Selassie I

U say, "sometimes, it is wise to be quiet"... I can agree with that statement, whenever i can observe my people taking care of themselves & their loved one, in a totally up-lifted fashion...  I don't see too much of that anywhere in the world today.... BLACKS (like us), are continuing to wallow at feet of other people world wide..  Other people of the world accept our suffering as normal.. No  one approaches us with a 'CURE ALL"... LQQKS like we are destined to be the dredges of the earth, unless we as a people  speak-up, step-up & do something about it...<BR><P>

MY comcern is, why are we selected by the EURO'S to be the group that all other groups can discriminate against... They chose this for us & apparently we have accepted it as our lot in life.... Instead of taking action to reverse this chain of events, we just just kneel-down & pray, all day, while our children & elderly ones, are dying of un-treated disease's & starvation... No other RACE of PEOPLE will allow this thang to happen in their HOMELAND...

We choose to stay here in the WEST & endure, rather than to MAN-UP & do something about it... TO ME, this in-action on our part shows us to be the BIGGEST COWARDS the WORLD has ever known..... Our QUIET-ness about this matter is the main thing that bothers me about our people.... i ask, WHERE ARE THE REAL BLACK MEN & WOMEN hiding at????? And why are they HIDING at all????

Forget all this stuff about KINGS & QUEENS in the past life.. I am speaking about today, and I see absolutely NO BLACK KINGS & QUEENS today....

And further... I am not seeking acceptance by or from WHITE PEOPLE... I am seeking it from us, all of us, in spite of WHITE PEOPLES insistence that we don't deserve to HONOR our own....

Hey... If ur plan will cure diseases that afflict Blacks & feed all our HUNGRY, they I am for it... I am for anything that will start making a visable improvement for our people now... Not just the ones in ur organization..... Can these empress & queens that u speak of feed, clothe  & house all those that can't house themselves, or,  are they offering only some spirital advice that will help us out in the after-life????

I won't need food or shelter then, I need it now....

If that be the case, then why are BLACKS STARVING & DISEASED at a higher proportional rate than WHITES.... WHY AIN'T WE DYING & STARVING EQUALLY... And because we now believe ina higher authority, does that make it alright for the world to treat us this way, or do we need to get up off it & do for ourselves????

Can u get me some HEAVENLY guidance on that... Please....

Will, first you go on about who is more superior and then say the following...

Maybe I'm a bit slow. What are you really trying to achieve here? Forget we are black queens and Kings, or fight for superiority?
Once this superiority issue is sorted (talked about), how would it elevate us as black people?

If that be the case, then why are BLACKS STARVING & DISEASED at a higher proportional rate than WHITES.... WHY AIN'T WE DYING & STARVING EQUALLY... And because we now believe ina higher authority, does that make it alright for the world to treat us this way, or do we need to get up off it & do for ourselves????

Can u get me some HEAVENLY guidance on that... Please....
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That's a very good question.

I saw a sign at the supermarket today about contributing money to starving children in Rwanda, but I wasn't even aware till now that there were children suffering there.

I don't know what the causes of starvation and disease in Africa are, but I do know that the deep seated racism, materialism and militarism of the white power structure is perpetuating those problems in Africa and allowing them to continue.

How can that be changed?

Only by a broad based, multi-racial coalition dedicated to educating and informing the peoples of America, Europe and Russia, and changing their mindset from one of war, materialism and selfishness, to one of peace, spirituality and open-heartedness.

It's going to take a lot of work, but it can be done.

The greed of possesion is What is ruining us on this planet Earth as I may put it



Another great hindrance to human happiness is the belief in the possession of ones talents, gifts abilities and capabilities. This thinking is what the world of today is based on, especially the law of I, me and mine. We are constantly bombarded with the creed of self improvement, self fulfilment, self validation and self expression.



We believe ourselves to be the authors of our life, creators of our potential and the only worthy beneficiaries of the bounties capable of being produced through our abilities, talents and skills. 



Our talents are in our ( we people of LADO in the Bush controlled still in Africa by the Masters )   view gifts from life itself. We add to and cultivate them through experience, study and hard work. This does not in anyway make them ours in the sense of today’s understanding. 



Today`s is a mindset that says “I can do this and that and I will use this ability to make money”. Or even worse “I will use my abilities which are beyond the norm to dominate those I see as lesser” again in ones own narrow egotistical interest.”



What one has been given is not only for oneself. It is to be refined and developed, and all that one brings forth is not only pleasing to ones self and sense of self worth it benefits the community in which one lives, the people with whom one inter- relates and the wider world in which we reside.



We are gifted by life and return the gifts through refining and applying them in the existence that we lead, with purpose of bettering or enriching life itself. This is true self fulfilment and it is this that gives a sense of meaning to ones existence. All else one can achieve is nothing but a poor substitute.



What leads us astray is not the sense of possession but the greed that lies deeply concealed within this form of possession. We refuse to share in what we have for the benefit of others. Instead we feel attached to our immaterial possessions, our intellectual property and will use it only to benefit ourselves, our limited petty minute egotistical selves.



We can even pretend we are giving from our wealth of blessings but this is a giving based on appearing benevolent and always in the spirit of the better pitying the fool and giving drops of salvation. 



We are each others helpers not masters. The whole concept of masters is based on the idea that some are more gifted than others, and these gifts are theirs to posses not to be put to service in the interest of the community. Here we mean true service, not today`s counterfeit service which is actually mass manipulation and delusion of both the individual and the collective.

 

Lado, that is a great post.  I'm looking forward to reading more of your writings on this forum.

Thanks for the insight.

Thanks to you Erik and May I add to say  ------  of our Inspirations that drive us as Humans to do and Act --


May be We are all Sons and Daughters of one Great Mind formation of Inspiration and making ourselves as the Artists of ourselves without having to bother of Colour Skins . Therefore in our  view is to look what this great power of inspiration is all about  please . I may be wrong , some one can come up with better definations still then . Hereby we should feel then an  inspiration is the spark that causes an artist to see inner meaning in the observations and perceptions he/she makes.



Ego driven artists of all diferent colour skins ( hereby I mean of one Race " being in the term human beings "  merely project their own ego into whatever it is they are communicating and therefore receives an enormous rush when their art is well received. This art is based on ego and therefore limitation. It is not truly creative.



To truly be inspired one must be empty, only then can inspiration work through us and allows us to understand and access a deeper meaning in all that we experience. A prophet, sage or savant/philosopher is actually an artist. The medium the sage uses to communicate his/her inner experience is their entire life. They ( witout distiction of colours )  in effect live their art.


Many painters, poets, musicians etc where extremely visionary in their field but in their human relations were utter and total maniacs. This highlights the difference between the art of the sage and that of the “conventional” artist.


The sage artist perceives and observes both without and within, then lets go of all conscious control and allows inspiration ( the Poetic Genius or the “ Holy spirit “) to translate this raw material into an inner knowing. The sage is able to keep this knowing alive at all times. His/her art encompasses all aspects of his/her life.


This inspired ability is not given to some and with-held from others. It is what we all share as humans. It is Humanity. It is not who is who whether Black or White or other colours please . >>  Perdon me if I don't consent to this ! <<   .....   Some are merely more receptive to it and able to stay in constant contact to it. No easy task, for we live in a world where the majority of the institutions of society, be they economic, social, religious or political seek to stop us from becoming fully human; they are de-humanizing or demanizing leading to demonizing.



True human beings are powerful beings and not slaves, which is what the leaders of most human societies want ( slaves) and even more tragically, what the general members of these same societies seem to feel most comfortable being (slaves).


WHO IS THE REAL ARTIST THEN  ?


A true artist


As touched upon in the writings on inspiration, inspiration is the source and the artist the channel. The work of art being the manifestation or the actual completed work. So what then of the artist ? By what standard are they to be considered true and true to what ?


It comes back to inspiration. The message to be delivered is in and of itself a concept.The genius of the artist, is that the artist has an ability to perceive and translate the concept in question, by way of their chosen medium, into a manner where it is understood and capable of evoking a a response both mentally and emotionally in the audience.


Further more a true artist is courageous, daring to flout conventions and accepted truths if the message they are seeking to communicate calls for this. A true artist is diligent as they hone the skills needed to communicate through their chosen form of expression or medium. They are sensitive and intuitive allowing them to function as a channel creativity.


A true artist is wise to temper this sensitivity with the practice of inner calm as such sensitivities, in an insensitive world can cause major disturbance to the wel lbeing ( emotional and mental ) of the person in question.


Arrogance is a deadly poison to the work of the artist. For it hinders the humility needed to truly channel creativity. Creativity cannot be commanded or ordered to function. It works when one is open and accepting to its presence. It requires of the artist an understanding that what they are creating isn’t theirs, but is choosing to speak through them. The moment one thinks " I made this " one becomes attached to the work with all the following complexes and self doubts which artistic attachment engenders.


It also causes one to become cut off from the source of creation and inspiration and forces one to solely rely on personal abilities to create. Here art becomes merely a recreation of who we think we are and not a conveyor of inspiration. It also adds undue pressure on the would be artist. For personality is limited, and if we seek to create from that perspective we limit our work.


The importance of the artists work is found in our view in the following:inspirations are translated by the artist into works which affect the audience. The audience thus affected achieve ( ideally ) an inspiration through the effect of art to question assumptions, develop new ways of doings things and looking at life or even the courage to stand up in the face of convention, inertia and oppression and act to change things.


So there is   >>  --- NO BLACK OR WHITE SUPREMACY AT ALL  OR SOMEONE IS SUPERIOR TO THE OTHER ON THIS BENEVOLENT EARTH  ---  << .  This is yet what we believe here in the Bush of our Occupied LAND LADO  in the Heart of Africa . .

No race is superior to the other, actually im against the term race in general. People have so mixed backgounds that there might be a difference in appearence but its a much much smaller difference genetically. If we look at history we will see that mighty civilizations comes and goes. I come from the middle east a region of many past empires. Today the middle east is divided and weak, lacking in technology and other development. Does that make me think others are more superior? Hell no, it makes me think we need to improve ourselves to not be at the mercy of others. Europe have only come out as a clear leader in some fields in the last 200-300 years and they wont keep this position much longer because the world is catching up.

To Horus: My own people are a mix of caucasian people (geographically) and Iranic people......I find your theories hilarious, biologically speaking a person who is of mixed background have smaller risks of genetic diseases.

It's not just about speed My dear... It's about the "IN-ACTION" of BLACKS world-wide.... And our inability to solve the WHITES methods of "Divide & Conquer"... It's a system that he, as a minority RACE, devised & uses perfectly, against all other RACES at the same time, getting them to stay in constant CONFLICT with themselves & others, as he and his other WHITE ALLIES stand UNITED against us all....

As long as we continue to allow them to divide us, one from another, then we'll always be LQQKing up to them, so they can HELP US OUT & tell us WHAT TO DO NEXT... We are MEN & WOMEN just like them.... We are capable of reaching the same heights as they reach, if not a higher plane, because we are stronger, more SPIRITUAL PEOPLE... Yet, as a "DIVIDED" group, we can not come together LONG ENOUGH, to devise an effective COUNTER-PLAN that will FREE us from the WHITE PEOPLES strangle-hold on our physical bodies, our mental states, our SPIRITUALITY, our LABOR, and our LANDS....

In short, we are standing here before them, NAKED & in HUMILITY,  like they are the necessary GODS & GODDESSES, that we must bow down to FOREVER....  So deeply into our being have they implanted this concept that they are our GODHEAD, that we are now accepting their "version" of the HOLY SCRIPTURES, complete with a blond, blue eyed Christ figure...  We know this is a FALSE concept, still we accept it from them, simply because they told us to... Our failure to provide for self, and to do for self, causes us to teach these same FAILED POLICIES to our KIDS... Until we break this trend, we are DOOMED as a PEOPLE...

Just 50 years ago, they took their feet from our necks, but WARNED us not to break any of their LAWS & MANDATES.. We are STRIVING to show them just how OBEDIENT we can be.... We don't have to do this any longer, PEOPLE... No we don't...  Just wake up...  Get to know ur-selves & eachother; focus on us & AFRICA, and then start taking action... We can do it... I know we can.... Yes - we can....

But 1st, we need to break our addiction to white people, get them out of our beds, our lives & our churches...  We need to BREAK this "One Love, One People, One Race" concept that encourages closeness with them; actually, we seem to be seeking their acceptance in our thing, which includes them in our decision making...

Our thing... A BLACK thing, with WHITE People in it... That's BLASPHEMY... That's our PROBLEM... Just think, with at our side for the past 50 years, the y still to this day CONTROL our ACTION... They own our MOTHERLAND & have FREEDOM to anything there that they so desire.... And all u can speak of is "ONE LOVE"....

My purpose here is in exposing the TRUTH, freeing ur MINDS, so ACTION can take place... We have survived all manners of GENOCIDE, and have infiltrated into aall COUNTRIES of the WORLD... We have the SUPERIOR numbers of WHITE people... Simple MATH should tell u, that there is SUPERIORITY in just that NUMBERS... That's just for STARTERS... More DETAILS can be found in my original post....

Erik... I can't believe any REAL LIVE BLACK MAN with AFRICA in his immediate DNA, could ever make a statment like this.... What... Are U living in a BUBBLE or something????  Do u not watch any news, or read any papers, or books???? R U even BLACK???? Do u live in any major city??? They have BLACKS, men women & children, living off the streets, as homeless, in every major city that i have visited....

For u to make these kinds of statements must mean that u r so far removed from the rest of us, and that ur mind has been so white-washed, that u've lost all ties to ur ETHNICITIES, if they be BLACK.... I can understand a WHITE person making those statements... But  not a BLACK....

ima leave there with u man, 'till i know where u from, where u going & where u been.....

Lado.... I am sometimes inspired by ur telling post... Many on the glories & histories of our AFRICA PAST... Speaking TRUTHFULLY about the ATROCIEIES that have plagued our CONTINENT, HISTORY &  CONDITIONS that lead us to our present MIND-SET....

THEN u come back with this "ONE LOVE - ONE RACE" ideology... If u truly believe that no one RACE is SUPERIOR, then just by the sheer HISTORY of the present-day WHITE-MAN, & his in-humanity, should cause u to judge him as being INFERIOR...  Or at least of having INFERIOR GENES, & an INFERIOR MIND-SET....

Had we, as a total people had not been enslaved, or colonized, I am sure we would not have stooped to these DEPTHS in our dealings with people different from us.... As a matter of fact, HISTORY already proves this point, as bits of pieces of AFRICAN ORIGIN is scattered around the WORLD... This means we SHARED with others - not COLONIZED them....

But thanks for ur contribution... It is well written & probably well intended.. Just FLAWED... That's all...

This is just semantic, my good man... I appreciate ur contribution, but it is redundant... I said exactly the same thing myself... "We need to improve ourselves so no one else will be able to execise power over us"... Failure to come up with a counter-plan for their dividse & conquer concepts mean we are lacking in something.....

If we can't figure it out, they we are FLAWED & INFERIOR in our head-2-head contact... The SUPERIOR thinker, who couples that thinking with ACTION will always rise to the top... And appear to be SUPERIOR... Even at time acting SUPERIOR, with the rest of us unable to shake the SHACKLES off us...

i'll not argue that point... I seek dialogue & ACTION... Talk all u want...

Its about how you define superiority, I was writing about this term from the view of mental ability; thus no race is more superior to the other as there is great minds withing all races.

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Lado.... I am sometimes inspired by ur telling post... Many on the glories & histories of our AFRICA PAST... Speaking TRUTHFULLY about the ATROCIEIES that have plagued our CONTINENT, HISTORY &  CONDITIONS that lead us to our present MIND-SET....

THEN u come back with this "ONE LOVE - ONE RACE" ideology... If u truly believe that no one RACE is SUPERIOR, then just by the sheer HISTORY of the present-day WHITE-MAN, & his in-humanity, should cause u to judge him as being INFERIOR...  Or at least of having INFERIOR GENES, & an INFERIOR MIND-SET....

Had we, as a total people had not been enslaved, or colonized, I am sure we would not have stooped to these DEPTHS in our dealings with people different from us.... As a matter of fact, HISTORY already proves this point, as bits of pieces of AFRICAN ORIGIN is scattered around the WORLD... This means we SHARED with others - not COLONIZED them....

But thanks for ur contribution... It is well written & probably well intended.. Just FLAWED... That's all...
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How does one maintain power, privilege and prestige in the face of people`s, at times violent demands for self determination, choice and freedom which lies deep in our African Lifes  It was this dilemma, that the mindstate of elitism, class superiority and vested interest - the demon - found itself in the  Western Europe (Here the United States  USA is  included too ) some 200 or so years ago. The solution developed was what today is known as representative democracy, another form of what we here can  call hype.


One cannot, in the world of today avoid hearing the sermons being preached on the virtues, blessings, and benedictions of so-called democracy, broadcast by and through mainstream (mainly) Western propaganda outlets, better known as the Mass media. The media as an  ISSUE and their role can be investigated later but for now let us start with that holy of holies within the pantheon of Western ideological mythology, Representative Democracy.


We are led to believe it is the ultimate, greatest, fairest and best system invented. I suspect some people believe it can turn water to wine, lead into gold, heal the sick and raise the dead from their graves. But as always on examining things truthcentrically we find we are in the realm of myth and legend when it comes to the modern claims and explantions of the modern day Western democratic system in exercising their Superiority in the faces of all . Still the Black falls victim of this Spectacular  Spectrum shows when our present Old Leaders clinging to power are tuned to the same music  .


If we examine the concept of democracy as understood by revolutionaries in the 18th century we find their understanding of this concept to be, the rule of all by all. James Madison, commonly held to be the father of the US constitution and later a president of the USA, defined democracy as a system where all people governed directly, freely and equally. A system where the people meet and excercise governance in person. Of course certain groups such as non Europeans, women, children, etc were not included in this ruling "all", they were merely to be ruled.


This democratic ideal worried the revolutionary a great deal. "All" was a divided mass of differing interests, wants, desires and visions. If this monster governed it would cause civil war, terror, death and damnation. Madison in fact was convinced that the "all" or the people did not have the intelligence necessary to overcome these differences and this would inevitably end in conflict. He felt for democracy to be viable there must be a means of controlling the majority.  Where the trap lies ?


It is interesting to note that the ethymological root of the words people and population is latin, meaning the one who ravages or pillages, in essence a beast. And beasts must be controlled, must they not ?


Madison in fact went even further and said during the American (USA) constitutional convention that the main aim of the constitutional set up was " to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority". This was the main goal of its existence and it must be set up to protect this.


It was the thinking such as this which began the transformation of the democratic ideal into the concealed disenfranchisement it has become.


Representation, manifest must go  through an elective sytem, these thinkers believed could solve the problem. Madison was convinced that this was perfect way of guaranteeing that those who had the most wisdom and virtue would govern. It would be the rule of the enlightened few. I am sure this pattern is not of a Black 's phylosophy towards a political mind formation to have arrived to this kind of thought mind in the Terms of DEMOCRACY  .



Representation actually seperates the "all" or the people from power and government. You get to choose a government from a group of professional administrators (politicians) who in essence are allied, to as well as members of ,various power elites groupings ( who form a body of elites including corporation executives, senior military leaders, religious leaders, politicians, Judges, civil servants, heads of states and the super wealthy)


These administrators serve the interests of this body and are the means by which it can reign supreme without appearing to do so. The elected politician provides cover for the operations of true government. The people believe they are free and in charge and the demon can maintain its grip on society.


The reigning administrators can be changed every 2, 4 or 6 years. But as you essentially are choosing from a limited managerial class (politicians) who serve and or are a part of the true elitist unseen government, you are essential playing a game of musical chairs. Regardless of what ideology or rhetoric they hide behind no political party that is a serious threat to the status quo of western society, can ever be allowed to gain ascendancy to power, according to this reigning logic.


Representation ensures that the commoners is kept where the enlightened rulers believe he/she should be:light years away from from the public arena and not able to meddle in the affairs of governance.


Edward Bernays was one of the fathers of the USA public relations industry and among other things held to be the man who got women to smoke in the 1920`s, using models and movie stars to link the ideal of the free liberated modern women with the act of smoking a cigaret. He was widely recognised for his success and so within this industry he became somewhat of a guru. He wrote a book which became an important manual in 1928 by the name of propaganda.


It is important to note what it was as not until after the second world war that propaganda acquired a negative connotation due to its association with the manipulative information techniques of nazis. The nazis were however inspired by the work of others.


In reality the true author of the political use of propaganda which inspired American corporations to copy the tactics, giving birth to public relations was the British Information ministry which had the stated aim of controlling the thoughts of the people of the world and was succesful in drawing the US into the first world war. An effort which Bernays was active in through the Creel commission. He also orchestrated the public relations effort in relations to the US backed coup of the democratically elected government of Guatemala. It was the work of men such as Bernays which inspired Gobbels, the nazi propaganda minister.


Anyway, this Bernays character states in his book propaganda the following: " Ours must be a leadership democracy administered by the intelligent minority who know how to regiment and guide the masses."


The masses includes even non European masses. As we have seen often enough, the Western elites have never hesitated in attempting to overthrow frurstrate and isolate an elected democratic government in Africa, Asia or Latin America if the "ignorant " masses in these regions of the world were to make a "wrong choice". Wrong meaning pose a threat to western interest and refuse to serve as a vassal for the elite body, which has a growing transnational reach.


In closing let it be said that the elitist thinking did not escape socialism or the leftwing which claimed to be fighting for the oppressed. Marx and his lieutenants believed the proletariate was not capable of completing the revolution and needed an enlightened revolutionary leadership to guide them at the head of a dictatorship of the proletariate. Later of course western socialism joined the represantative system but whether through dictatorship or socalled modern democracy they accepted the status quo.


Representative democracy therefore can in our view safely be declared as just more hype, a way to delay the dawning of true social freedom and revolution, based on the fear of a privileged minority that their ill gotten gains would be lost if the people truly have power and govern themselves, through dialogue, meeting and whatever other mechanisms can evolve or become rediscovered through such a process .  With this I mean here only to add that the White man is not Superior / or Most Superior Race with his intents which till todate makes our stomachs to vomit .   Sometimes then we meet to tell the truth .

Hey Lado, try not writing long articles for every post you make. Summerise and repost.