Africa Speaks Reasoning Forum

 ::) so u think because you are growing some filthy locs,that is gonna exempt you from your dark past,of more than 500 000 people dead,maimed,slaughtered because your greed,we have no sympathy for you,nor for your ancestors,who were descedants of king albert,king leopold,king george,we remember the namibia genocide, the congo,we remember apartheid in south afrika,we remember the lynchings and castrations,i know that the crimes against our humanity that your ancestors committed,those who have called us savage and barbarians, are the ones who have committed the most acts of savagery and barbarism alike.

By the way, I don't even have locks you goofball.  Dreadlocks were in India and the Bible long before they were in Jamaica, and I've met plenty of people with locks who were evil, and plenty of people without locks who were good, so locks are no measure of a persons character.  If you believe they are, then you are just looking at things superficially.

Eric D, the moment you added "goofball" to that sentence you destroy your point.


afrikanrebel06, I can understand the anger in your words. I have grown up hating the colour of my own skin. Every history lesson I sat through was one more reason to despise my ancestors. A history of destruction, oppression, supression of knowledge, supression of spirituality, supression of sexuality. 
But hey, not every single white is bad  :)   I personally think that the youngest generation of white people may finally redeem themselves in the eyes of history. There are lots of young caucasians I've met who are completely intolerant of racism, discrimination or classism. Many of them have racist parents, and I know some young caucasians who have managed to change the racist opinions of their parents.  There may still be hope for white people after all.

Didn't Marcus Garvey say -"Envy not the ways of the oppressor and choose none of their ways?
Didn't Selassie state that until the color of a persons skin have no significance to the color of his eye
then peace becomes a fleeting illusion to pursued and never be attained? if that is true then I have to say that some of the
contributors in this reasoning are absolute hypocrites.

I don't even know where they get the authority to say that they are talking on the behalf of the Head Creator and worse still
The nonsense that they spew is nonsense based in the main on their own distorted and misinformed views! I know for sure that
John Brown did more for Black People in his day than Thabo M'beki for instance. Sylvia Pankhurst certainly did more for Black people
than Robert Mugabe! It seems like the haters are just taking the opportunity to lash out at anyone they assume is connected to slavery!

Lets be real here, It wasn't Black people alone who suffered via slavery (even though it could be argued they suffered the hardest way) There was many nations and individuals who profited out of slavery! To the ones who lashing out at Erik, what about the black collaborators who sold their brethren into slavery in the first place? The colonialists could not have done what they they did without the help of their black friends.

Indeed if you read history there was a huge underclass of white people in the industrial cities of Europe and America who were living in abject poverty. So it is not the the individual that the angry ones should be lashing out against, it ought to the system. I always thought that when a Heartical Ras is burning a fire on the system (ROME/BABYLON) they ain't suppose to have an individual in mind it's the system that should be getting burned!

Right now I more concerned with what Black Robert Mugabe is doing to his people, than what happened a couple hundred years ago.

Lets Keep it Real, Divide and Conquer cannot work! 


Source!

Thanks for that Source. It is true that white people have oppressed many non-white peoples, but they have oppressed their fellow white people as well.  I believe Eric D tried to say that, but he has some problems with diplomacy.

So you are one of those who believe all that is being shown by the media right? White media.
Are you even based in Mama Africa? There are quiet a few Zim Brothers adn sisters Communicate with, and they said, things that are shown on TV are far fetched. Even the documentaries shown, only want to show the worst of Zim. Which is not the case. You dont what it's like to have a revolutionary like Mugabe. We need more leaders like him who can stand up to there imperialists without fear. This is not titi for tat. But merely standing up for what you believe in. I salute for him for that.


Why doesnt the media show this weakness by white leaders, instead show Mugabe's leadership as cruel like Hitler?
How many blacks and non-blacks suffering like this every day? Next thing you'll be tellling us about the 6 million Jews that were murdered under Hitler's reign. How many black are still dying simply bcoz they are black?

These white people that are suffering in Europe, can easily go anywhere in the world to get a job or start a business, they will easily be accepted/hired. they will get good salaries, built a home for their families. Now this is very difficult for blacks around the world. You are not easily accepted/hired. You and your credentials are scruitinized like you are some criminal. And even if get hired, you dont get paid your worth. This system does not make it easy for you. This is where white priviledge. Where I work, when we suppose to receive a raise, we were told, why should we? Our standard of living is not high like theirs. The whites...even management agreed with them. i hope you understand what I'm trying to get at. The system only works for whites and blacks willing to be sell-outs. Unfortunately, these individuals die with no souls, coz they sell them to the highest bider.

Another thing is we are expected to embrace multi-culturism. And they are not. Speak English when they around so they understand. Look at what colonialism/slavery did. We still speak our oppressors/masters' languages. And even after all this, you still stick up for them? When you come here, you must know one thing, things may seems all good. These "heartical rases" burning fire pon' babylon. But you have to face the possibility of dying alone, they might run and leave you on the firing line alone.

I have read and heard only bad things about Mugabe, from the white/rich media mostly. I would appreciate if someone could link me to something that tells his side of the story.  I consider myself pretty good at watching biased media and figuring out who is really the "good guy", and I have never fully believed the things said about ANY african leader.  Its been my experience that the more this media demonizes someone the more likely it is they are someone trying to do good things.

Everyone repeat after me: 

"black is good, and white is bad".

White is bad because the people at the top of the "system" are mostly rich old white men. They started out as white men, then got rich off the works of others, then old because they can't be touched. 
I know that when I read "white man" here, it is not every white person that is being talked about. Even if that is what the poster intends, it is not true. Not every white is priviledged in the system. Many are being held down using the same tactics used against non white people.  You just have to understand, Eric D, that most people in this forum dont give a $hit about the white people being oppressed. Which is fine, this forum is not made for white people. Imagine that, a place where you are not automaticaly welcomed  :o

well when ur people came out the caves of persia and europe and didnt know how to bathe, u have to remember that medieval europe was more savage than what u ancestors called on or named africa to be,as matter of fact, african civilization is more advanced than europeans,because greeks stole things from africa,all the things about know thyself, came from the temples of luxor,ancient egypt,tamahu,we created you,in the book called race and manifested destiny he says,pikerton said" the celts,the danes and the slavs were savages" the vikings were extremely barabarians,it is europeans at this moment that are going to africa and causing havoc,besides arabs and asians,as well europeans are eating afrikan body parts as delicacy in kongo kinshasa.

message to the whiteman part two

no white co worker wherever i worked  stood up for me, they are pernititious,liers, who shot sean bell,amadou diallou,abner louima,the whiteman, who lynched hanged,castrated black people,whiteman,when apartheid was going in south afrika and still going on today,white amerikkkans  didnt doa damn thang,who created and invented the atomic bomb,whiteman,who brought small pox to the indigenous populations and wiped out half million natives across the amerikas,the whiteman, the blackman that oppresses his peers is justa by product of his environment,a learnt behaviour, yes the whiteman is the devil,as khalid muhammed once said,i have no sympathy for the devil,because when i see roachs i step on dem.

There is not a single historical indigenous tribe on this planet that, after having come into contact with the European Man and/or European Woman for an extended period of time, have not drawn this conclusion about 'white people' as a whole.

It is only when one sits down and ponders on this fact that you really begin to truly understand how remarkable this phenomenon is!

Imagine that! Every single non-white culture on planet earth has, at one point in time, drawn the conclusion for themselves that the 'white man' is the devil, solely based on the actions of white people, unleashed upon the whole of humanity.

Moreover, the only group that has historically denied that they are in fact devilish creatures is white people!!!  :o

Considering this fact, I must say this...

If the White Man and White Woman are not collectively the original Beast spoken of in antiquity, then they will most certainly suffice until the real one gets here!

Uhuru! Aluta Continua!

The white race is the black race extended Northward into time and space, with resultant biological and psychological adaptations, because of climate differences from warm, sunny, abundant equatorial Africa to the cold, dark, barren North Polar region.

That being said, when I met with a group of black Nuwaubians a few years ago, their head spokesman told me that the first devil on planet earth was a black man.

That makes sense, since the black race (the most ancient race) pre-existed the white race (the yougest race), so the first person to rebel against the natural harmonious creator/creation law on Earth would likely have been a black person.

Rebellion existed before the existence of the white race.  White people have just taken the rebellion to new technological and psychological heights, but the underlying cause (rebellion against the law of harmony) is still the same.

"All sin is transgression of the law".

Ah, Nuwaubians... if you were Black that'd be the perfect religion for someone in your mental state...
Seek help, Erik D...

What do you suggest gman?

You seem to forget that Leonard Howell, the "first rasta" was determined to be "insane" by the British authorities and committed to mental asylums.

It's been said that there's a fine line between genius and insanity.

Insanity is imbalance between the right (thinking) and left (feeling) brain hemispheres.

That imbalance is instilled at or before birth by the Creator to propel individuals on their mission in life.

The urge to alleviate the pain of imbalance is what motivates individuals to seek their purpose or calling.

Finding and fulfilling ones purpose balances the brain hemispheres, bringing peace of mind.

That's why Bob Marley and others referred to "trodding through life in an Irie meditation".

In truth, insanity is the raw material for genius.

It's all how you adapt and respond to it.

Human race is born insane.. with a conscious/subconscious split.

Ok! Erik, now I've seen it all.

"...their head spokesman told me that the first devil on planet earth was a black man."
What? Sure there are evil blacks, but to be the first man to carry evil acts??? That's the first. I humble myself as I still have much to learn. Are books available that reference this statement?

Please respond

Obviosly this "first rasta" would have been outcasted by (white) British authorities, bocz they didn't overstand the culture. Just like people discriminate against "kinky hair" and "dark skinned". The reason why he was "committed", was/is bcoz he was living against the system of white supremacy.

Like Bush once said before, if you are not with us, you are against us. Simple.

here is what Erick D peoples are doing in  PRUSIAN, EMPRESS, eating each other

http://www.javno.com/en-world/russian-woman-kills-then-eats-friend_243273

The Russian police arrested a woman from the Siberian region of Irkutsk, because she was suspected of killing her friend, writes the Australian “News”. Besides that, there is a suspicion that the arrested woman ate certain body parts of the man she killed. The incident occurred on March 5, when two women where having fun and enjoying alcohol at the man’s home. After a few too many drinks, the three people got into an argument.

Vladimir Salovarov, an official in the prosecutor’s investigation team, said the investigators have evidence that the woman cooked parts of her friend’s body and ate them.

He added that the man was killed with an axe, and that the parts of the body that the woman did not eat were found in a nearby dumpster. The arrested woman confessed her guilt in the end.

It is interesting that last week, Russian investigators in the Udmurtia region searched for a man suspected of cannibalism after the remains of a female body were found in the city of Izhevsk.

peace and hotep,

Erik D.

Black Supremacy =

The subjugation of ALL white people, by Black and/or “non-white” people, for the basic purpose of “pleasing” and/or serving ANY or ALL  Black or “non-white” persons, at ALL times, in ALL areas of activity, including Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.



Black Supremacist =

A “non-white” person who, directly, or indirectly helps to maintain the subjugation of ALL white people, for the basic purpose of “pleasing” and/or serving any, or ALL “non-white” persons, at ALL times, in ALL  areas of activity, including Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.


“Black” Power =

1.   Any word or deed, and/or any combination of words or deeds that proves effective against White Supremacy (Racism) when employed by the Victims of White Supremacy [non-white people].
2.   The sum total of all thought, speech, and action by Black and/or “non-white’ people that helps to reveal truth, promote justice, and/or promote correctness.


also, do not say that the "color" or non"color" of any person or thing is "beautiful" or "ugly".
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reason(s)/explanation(s):

"colors" are neither "beautiful", nor "ugly".

"colors" are.

"colors" EXISTS.

"colors", make their own statement by the fact of their existence.

"colors", and/or non"colors" need not to be praised, nor CONDEMNED.

"color" --- or the absence of "color" -- need only be recognized.

remarks about color should be made to describe color, and/or to describe the way that color is used, or reacted to. there are no "correct" colors.

color, or the absence of color, can, however, be USED for INCORRECT purposes.

"color", or the absence of color (in people) is, most of the time, used as an excuse to treat people unjustly. a person's re-action to color, or the absence of color, may result in much speech and/or action against him or her self, and/or against other persons, against animals, things, etc.

speech and/or action against a person, animal, etc., because of "color" and/or the absence of "color" is unjust and incorrect.

Nimrod....the  Babylonian Osirus/the Egyptian Ausar - the black "seed of the prophet Cush"  - Zerne-bogie or “ black god ”......
The BogieMan is considered by White Supremacist as a "Bad Black". 

here is one of their icons used to justify their "manifested destiny" of destroying non'white civilizations:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ef/Shriners.png/200px-Shriners.png)   
BEHEADING THE APOSTATE

 
 ???Why is the Dark Ages called "THE DARK AGES"? ???

HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO THE "1 drop rule"?.....

 ???What is a Good White Person? ???

Good White Person =

A person classified as “white” and/or Caucasian, who DOES NOT practice Racism at ANY time, in ANY  place, IN ANY area of activity, and, who also uses truth in such manner as to PRODUCE justice and correctness, at ALL times, in ALL places, in ALL areas of activity, throughout the universe.



please LINK:

White Racism: A Psychohistory (http://books.google.com/books?id=Yn7a4kQ3FaoC&printsec=frontcover#PPR11,M1)
By Joel Kovel
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/NLN_Joel_Kovel.jpg/225px-NLN_Joel_Kovel.jpg)

Published by Columbia University Press, 1984

It probes the deep psychological and historical embedments of racism in Western civilization and provides a pessimistic view of future reform.

Kovel was born in Brooklyn, New York, and spent his childhood between Brooklyn and Long Island. He first attended Yale College and then studied medicine at Columbia University, where he gained a medical degree in 1961. Following this, he studied psychiatry at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, becoming Director of Residency Training (1977-83) and Professor of Psychiatry (1979-86) at the college. He also holds a diploma in psychoanalysis from the Downstate Medical Center Institute.

Kovel took up a career in psychiatry and psychoanalysis until the mid-1980s, when he became disillusioned with the health care system. In addition to his work in Psychiatry, Kovel has been Adjunct Professor of Anthropology at the Graduate Faculty in the New School for Social Research; Visiting Professor of Political Science and Communications at the University of California (1986-7); Visiting Professor at San Diego State University (1990); Visiting Professor of Communication at the University of California (1993); and Alger Hiss Professor of Social Studies, Bard College between 1988 and 2003, and Distinguished Professor of Social Studies at the institution from 2003 to 2008.

The American distributor of Kovel's book Overcoming Zionism, the University of Michigan Press, temporarily suspended distribution of the book in August 2007 after accusations of anti-semitism. Philip Pachoda, Director of the University of Michigan Press, characterized Kovel's book as "hate speech." Three members of the University's board of Regents criticized distribution of Kovel's book on the grounds that it "“debases the press’ franchise and leaves the press and the university open to damage.”  Betsy Kellman, director of the Michigan Anti-Defamation League chapter described the book as dealing in "anti-Semitic canards." A group of six pro-Israel organizations, including the National Christian Leadership Council for Israel and the Michigan chapters of the American Jewish Congress, the Jewish Community Relations Council, and B'nai Brith, issued a statement describing Kovel's book as "often anti-Semitic in nature."

Nevertheless, the University of Michigan Press "voted unanimously" in October 2007 to continue distributing books with Kovel's publisher, Pluto Press, overturning the original suspension. This came after what Democracy Now! called a "growing campaign led by fellow academics and civil libertarians", including historian Howard Zinn.] Zinn wrote a letter on behalf of the Committee for an Open Discussion of Zionism (CODZ) - a group formed in September 2007 to support Kovel immediately and then organise a conference "that will address both the issue of suppression and Zionism itself" - urging the end of the suspension, which he blamed on an "ultra-Zionist group called StandWithUs" with links to Campus Watch; he described Overcoming Zionism as "serious, well researched work espousing a humanistic resolution".] CODZ, whose Honourary Co-Chairs include Zinn and Norman Finkelstein, further claimed to have "successfully solicited hundreds of letters in support of continuing the distribution agreement with Pluto Press Publications".[19] Other groups, such as Students Allied for Freedom and Equality (SAFE) at the University of Michigan, also supported Kovel.

Following a review of its arrangements with all outside publishers, the University of Michigan Press announced in June 2008 that it will sever its ties with Pluto Press when the current contract expires at the end of 2008, which will end UMP's distribution of Kovel's book.

I think there is some people in here who have a INFERIORITY COMPLEX...rabbling about entire people as if they had a coherent mind of evil. Humans have and will always be selfish! Its inprinted in our genetic code to achieve the best conditions for our offsprings. If that means on the cost of others then so be it.

We think of ourselves as civilized and that we will never go back to the way we were in times of less prosperity. That is just a delusion. For example if the west would for some unexpected reason suffer a big economic catastrophy which only a recolonisation of africa would solve then they would probaly try it! Look at Iraq, its just a taste of how people will behave to preserve their prosperity on the cost of others.

Humans have all in themselves the properties of evil. Our societies avoid "evil" internally in order to have order, order results in stability, stability results in prosperity, prosperity results in goodness; which is the lack of evil. Good deeds are not defined as such, they are defined as deeds lacking evil.

Humans are capable of eating eachother to survive, and no I dont mean eating naturally dead people, I mean humans will go killing other humans for their flesh. This is how low we ALL can sink.

We'd love for our offsprings to have the best conditions, but at someone else's expense, now that's evil, with no conscious at all

Is this why you call yourself "HumanNature", bcoz it's in our "nature" to be evil? :-\

Can you imagine if everyone, esp the poor thought like that, step on anyone who stands in your way? Just a thought, use it dont use it.


 :-\  ??? :-\ WTF? With so much "green" food to eat...how does your mind work dude(t)? I mean just wondering...

It's how it is, I never said I endorse or like these sad facts. Its my cynical view of our history. You can not deny it. The poor are simply the people who do not have the means to do similar things.

And yes there is alot of "green" food, no suprise. My point was to show how low humans can sink. We have this ideal of civilization without realizing that it rests on stability and prosperity. Humans are in fact egoistic in their nature. Maybe we behave compassionately and show solidarity at times, but its only after our own survival and prosperity is assured, not before.

Basically if we have to choose between a life of poverty or a life with no poverty but where we do evil acts, I think we would choose the latter.

this guy is persian,kurdish, he comes from a nomadic tribe in persia, he is a descedant of almoravid. white arabs,the people who conquered and plundered afrika and shoved islam down peoples throat,he is showing his true nature,what he said isa reflection of what his people do, because they lead and livea nomadic and sedentary life,thats what kurdish do,this shows how low does he think,it is just MERE reflection of his thoughts and actions, this tamahu,akan reptilian can not and will not fool me, he comes from PRUSSIA,where people lives a sedentary life style and are flesh eaters.

afrikanrebel06, you are an ignorant and racist person.

First of all learn to differentiate between kurds/persians and arabs. Second you need to take english lessons, as your reading comprehension is equal to zero. Third, also read some history, you are mixing groups and time ages together to make idiotic points. It seems like you put all that you know that have the slightest relevance to this subject into one post, im not impressed. It makes you a fool among those who do know history and an agitator for the rest.

Now crawl back to the **** hole you came from.

sorry prussian, it is best that u go back to persia urself, u reptilians dont fool me,u degenated.mutant creature, my razor is sharpened to cut the lightest and heavy steel, u persians invaded and plundered afrika,
i will dice and slice u into piece caveman from prussia >:(

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Ya wouldn't think Afrikanrebel could pass for white in most places from his posts, would ya? :D
seen ur photo on that other forum...
By the way I remember in 1995 in London the Kurdish community was with us who were trying to prevent Mumia abu-Jamal's then-imminent execution... they let us use their community centre for gigs, meetings etc and they were at the marches... so respect for that, seen...
Human Nature I disagree with ya although I can overstand where you're coming from. I'll probably roll through to discuss some other time, don't have a lot of time on the net right now.
Empress K have a blessed day, de I is an inspiration to all of IanI that read this site, de I energy, strength and love really shines through in every post. Maximum Respect! and the same to Leslie and all Africa Speaks/Rastafari Speaks admin... may I take this opportunity to say that I WAS IN THE WRONG in past disagreements, jumping to conclusions based on hearsay.
More Fire More Power More Strength.... RRRRRRRRRRRRRASTAFARI

@gman, u dont know my rootz and i neva posted my pics here, my ancestors have been on our sacred earth
for more than 500 000 000 years BCE,before any persian,almoravids. europeans came amd even before  we came in contact with europeans, things started going down after the ottoman empire( which human nature) is descedant of,  fyi,gman, i ama garveyite,pan afrikanist, i am not pseudo revolutionary,yes i might carry the oppressors in my bloodline,doesnt mean that i embrace dem, be it arabs, or a-rabs,or a-robers, persians, europeans,because u and many others dont know about metaphysics and occult sciences,rastafarism is deeply rooted into judeo christianity, with the holly babble,do u really think if u are in afrika, and somebody cast a spell on you,that can LITERALLY take you out from this world,that sellassie and allah is gonna save you,
man! get a grip of yaself.
 do u know the term prussia means,if not then research,ur mouth gman,could be your worse enemy,my heritage is deeply connected to our sacred earth,assasse yaa, koizan,south afrika, mayan,aztec,inca and olmecs, tupi guaranis,caiapos,my rootz is afro asiatic.
 i dont subscribe to one love flower power type of buzziness, when u are true garveyite, you remain tru to your roots, like walter sizulu,solomon tsheko platje,there is an akan proverb that says" IF YOU THINK THE WHITEMAN CARE ABOUT YOUR WELL BEING,THINK AGAIN,JUST LOOK HOW IT TOOK FOR HIM TO GET HERE( AFRIKA)"
BTW, i have seen the oldest map of the world, i have it with me, middle east is part of afrika,if people want to go to bed with the enemy thats the problem, other proverb says" if you sleep with dogs u will wake up with fleas all over your body"

afrikanrebel06 ur words are power
It is only by knowing our true enemy that we know which we fight
If our enemy crept up would we know them by smell

ForwardEverForward

AfrikanRebel, you have shown time and time again on this board that you know NOTHING of Rastafari people and what IanI actually deal with, and completely ignored anyone like myself or Natural Blacks who has tried to tell you that we do not fit into the box you have of "bible bashers" or whatnot. Also you are incapable of detecting sarcasm, which indicates to me that you lack a sense of humour, which I do suggest you attempt to develop. Also, I thought Prussia was some antique part of the Austro-Hungarian empire or whatever, but do correct me as I'm obviously wrong. Also could you provide me the proof that your ancestors have been around for 500 million years? or do you mean your non-human ancestors? Also, because Arabs and/or Kurds (not the same thing) have oppressed Black people, and do oppress Black people, does it follow that ALL people characterised as Arabs and/or Kurds oppress Black people? Lighter-skinned mixed-race Black people like you and me (though I'm darker skinned and more African looking than you are... and it was not on this forum that I saw your photo, but on another one... you know the one I mean, don't be disingenuous)... anyway, we lighter-skinned mixed-race Black people have also oppressed darker skinned 'purer' Black people, and still do, does it follow that ALL of us do? Should we kill ourselves, as we are potential menaces to the African race?
Don't really expect a thoughtful answer to any of the above as you've shown yourself to be someone who only thinks in black and white, this or that, my-way-or-the-highway terms, and you are never willing to revise your opinions even when you are shown to be wrong, but hey... go ahead and surprise me. :)

@GMAN,what do you know about the tupi guarani,yanomamis,the caboclos from the amazon region, u took up on yourself to insult my ancestors, like i mentioned to you, an ewe priest,people who practise afrikan spiritual systems can take the breath of life way from you,do u think  ur sellassie and empress menen will break any spell that is thrown at you,by any traditional people,gabon,togo,benim, go to gabon and benim and tell dem,
" you know what,i dont believe in voudou, i am rastafari and it is better than voudou" just try@gman,even the muslisms in senegal and other parts of afrika, use  afrikan traditional religion to cover their so called islam,hmm,let me see if u start insulting the african deities,u will be in big trouble,because neter is watching,
granted that u might have more afrikan feature than me, but being afrikan is not only the skin color, malcom x
had red hair and blue eyes, he loved his people so much that elijah muhammed took him out, dubois despised marcus garvey, farraCon, DESPISED baba khalid muhammed that he also took him out,farrakan is also mixed.
i dare u gman  to go to burkina faso,togo,benim,haiti and tell the mambos,hougouns and  vodou priests that sellassie is better than our ancestors.
eu chamo todos meus ancestrais, para que destroem com os meus inimigos,espero um dia, que voce amanheca com a boca cheia de sangue, tenha cuidado,voce vai ter muita mal sorte na tua vida, tudo vai te faltar, voce vai esta andando pelas ruas sem comida e sem roupa,miseravel,a morte te espera.

Wow, just wow! Were do I begin?

You are wrong about the Ottoman Empire (as usual?). The Ottoman empire was ruled by the Turks which are not the same as the Kurds. Actually we (the Kurds) were subjects to their (the Turks) rule. So by your logic you are the decendant of a european country, as most of africa was ruled by european countries. Do you realize how absurd that is?

Also the term Prussian have nothing to do with the term Persian. The Prussians live along the baltic sea coast in Central Europe, the Persians live some 1000s of miles away in the Iranian high plateau in Iran. Is this clear to you now? Also these two groups have very different looks.

Are people supposed to be scared now? We live in 2009 not 1009....the age of superstition among many people, including africans, are over. Religion is today a belief system to heal your mind. No spell/curse or diety will ever affect my life, you know why? Because I control my life with my own will, we all do. Free your mind of superstition and try to learn from others.

human nature,i guess u are proud of your barbaric and nomadic roots huh ;D

Well I have roots which are mentioned in writing from the times before christ. My people are the decendants of the Medians, who during their time ruled the WORLDS biggest empire (around 500BC) and who made ALOT of scientific and social breakthroughs during their time. If that is considered barbaric, then the entire world was MORE barbaric than my ancestors.

It does not end there, we invaded Africa, Europe, India and reached China with other iranian people. My roots "rebel" are among the most glorious during the ancient times, funny that you in your ignorance thought it was I who had "barbaric" roots. While I can show you our written language from 2500-3000 years ago, I know you cannot show me anything similar.

Isn't barbarism the same as the lack of a civilization and a civilized behavior? I think this term fits you just fine rebel, lol. 

Watch it deh Human Nature
Or I and other Africans on this board are gonna have to revise our opinion of you... had no prob with ya til now... as you know I had your back against Afrikan Rebel's previous assertions... but while I know that Afrikan Rebel is a bit of a "baiter", sometimes baiting can expose things... what is "glorious" about invading Africa, pray tell? And did you know that a 30-something-thousand year old abacus was found in the Congo? "African history is the world's history, this is the missing link and mystery"- KRS-ONE/Boogie Down Productions: "Blackman's in Effect" (from the album "Edutainment")
Re-read your words and rewind and come again

Well, if you assume the bad before the good then anything can be interpreted badly. Glorious are our achievments, while an invasion in todays eyes would be frown upon (with all right, we know better today), back then it was how people behaved. Additionally, I can tell you that we were not cruel to ANYONE we conquered, in Africas case, it was 2 short periods when we conquered Lower Egypt(200 years total), unlike others we did not burn, pillage and kill. Our ancestors have the tradition of tolerance of other cultures, that is why the ancient empire could exist, back then you had no chance controlling an 10 million square km empire (size of USA) if you had too many revolts. Ofcourse im biased in opinion about all of this, and there were probably unknown atrocities, but they were few enough and far in between to not be mentioned. Actually the actual invasion was not the achievment to me, it was the ability to administer and rule such a huge empire, it required alot of beaucracy and organization.

With all of that said, I never doubted the African history, even though I admit I know little about it. My post was written to show the foolishness of calling my ancestors barbaric. If there is something you want to know about more in detail or discuss then be my guest.

Greetings Human
I feel like all empires have at least elements of the "barbaric" (and yes that includes the Ethiopian empire, Kemet (ancient Egypt) empire, and other African empires/kingdoms.
I feel the most civilised people are those who have never tried to conquer others... those who were satisfied with what they had already... ironically enough, these are the people that so-called "civilised" people in empires (ancient and modern) tend to call "primitive", "barbaric" etc.
A lot of people measure civilisation by how many tall buildings you build, whether you have a written language, and many other (in my view) subjective criteria... a better measure of civilisation was suggested to me by an "uncle" (in quotes cos I'm a caribbean person and we all got plenty uncles, aunts etc. who ain't actually related to us). That was, "civilisation" is simply how "civil" you are with one another. By this measure so-called "primitive" people tend to outshine "civilised" empire builders every time...
Can reason more in depth later if you want, gotta go for now.

Well, its like you say. The term civilized can be subjective because there is different opinions about what is civilized and what is not. It does not help that these opinions change from people to people and from time to time. But lets not forget that there is a framework for what is considered a civilization. The difference is thus the lack of definition of what a "civilized person" is while a civilization have specific characteristics and preconcluded properties it have to satisfy.

It's very utopian to claim that some civilizations refrained from violence and war. I simply dont believe that. Not even in an enviroment of great abundance do people avoid wars. Besides the wars in different civilizations are hardly the major part of those civilizations legacy. There is science, art, culture, law, organization, mentality, religion etc etc...this is what defines a civilization not how many other cultures they conquered. But lets face it, conquering land and waging war is an achievment of its own, no matter the subjective opinions around it.

 

Yes, invading land and waging war is the only achievment some humans with a Barbaric nature can do. And they have the same tendancy on an internet forum.

If you don't understand the meaning of achievment then that is your problem. With your logic, the computer you are using, the internet you are communicating with and the language you are typing with are all barbaric. Only because the same cultures who created these things waged war.

It's not that hard to understand, really. War is part of any civilization, big or small, primitive or complex. Show me evidence of a civilization which did not wage wars or smaller battles. I don't think you can.

It is you who said that conquering land and waging war is an achievment of its own, not me. Just the fact that you think that it is good  to invad and kill other peoples show your barbaric nature, yes and yes.
If I invad your land or your house and kill all your familly members in your land or your house  will you consider it as something good?,yes or no?
And I was talking about the internet-forum (this forum),not the internet. we all know that Dr. Philip Emeagwali is the father of the internet, and he is certainly not an arrogant Kurd: http://www.blackwebportal.com/wire/DA.cfm?ArticleID=558

In the following video, President Bill Clinton Extols Philip Emeagwali ,the father of the internet as a "Great Mind"

Excerpt from his White House
televised speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kF3UTxmjuU&feature=related

You fail to understand that an achievment can be good or bad again. You desperately try to put words in my mouth, re-read what I wrote, I never claimed the achievment of conquering and waging wars to be a "good" thing. That is your imagination or unhonesty. I'm not interested in adressing things I never said.

I just love how you find one black person with a connection to something as huge as the internet and afterwards claim all the glory. I think it's just pathetic. If you knew anything about the creation of the internet you would know that it was a process of over 50 years and that there were 100s if not 1000s of people involved, the overwhelming majority being non-blacks. Read some history and try again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet     This article have 42(!) sources.

After all of this you have the nerve of calling me arrogant, I can only laugh and tell you to look in a mirror.

I just quoted your owns words from your own mouth
An achievement of what?

No I Never mentioned that Dr. Philip Emeagwali was Black, I just posted an article and a Video. For the internet, it is Bill Clinton's claim, he came to give a speech to congratulate Dr. Philip Emeagwali , the father of the internet, but you certainly didnt listen to his speech in the Video posted this is a proof of your lack of interest and sincerity. Why an American President will leave the White House to give a speech to congratulate Dr. Philip Emeagwali ?.Try to find out at least if you have sincerity!!,and this have nothing to do with Dr. Philip Emeagwali being Black but have to do with his scientific achievements.
And Again with wikipedia, you are a joke,ANYBODY can post on wikipedia,you just have to register with them.

You have issues with your reading comprehension. You are still openly lying about what I said. I said it was an achievment but I also stated it was a "bad" achievment. But it is an achievment non the less. Are you slow? Its an achievment as you have to raise an army, take care of logistics, battle tactics, new political system for the conquered territories, motivate the own populace, train the soldiers etc etc.....an invasion is not just 10000 people who leave home for 2 days....did you really think that is how it worked?  ::)

Also dont play ignorant when it comes to the whole internet issue. I claimed from the beginning that you are using the internet, made largely by people of non-black cultures, and at the same time accuse non-blacks of being barbaric. When I mentioned this you come up with this unknown "Dr. Philip Emeagwali" who you claim is the father of the internet, it's really pathetic.

The history of the internet is known, there is no room for your hilarious claims, the internet was the result of hard work of 1000s of people not one person. It's not an another ancient civilization you can hijack, thank god for modern history.

And this is getting boring, Wikipedia is as secure as any other encyclopedia, articles can be disputed in many ways and the articles are controlled to avoid vandalism, so in some aspects its even more secure. Not to mention that you cannot just write things without sources which are checked, even though not instantly.

I actually searched for Dr. Philip Emeagwali on wikipedia and found some embarrasing information about him, here is some info:

"Philip won the Gordon Bell prize. Apart from the prize itself, there is no evidence that Emeagwali's work was ever accepted for publication in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, nor that it had any other lasting impact on the field of high-performance computing or the development of the Internet.[5] Neither does he hold any recognized patents for his results.[6] (He does, however, own a US trademark for his website name, "EMEAGWALI.COM".)[7] Nevertheless, over the next twenty years, he has received numerous further awards and recognitions based on his Bell Prize win,[8] ranging from one from the World Bank-IMF Africa Club to being voted the "35th-greatest African (and greatest African scientist) of all time" in a survey by New African magazine.[9] His achievements were quoted in a speech by Bill Clinton as an example of what Nigerians could achieve when given the opportunity.[10] He is also a frequent feature of Black History Month articles in the popular press.[11][12]"

"Emeagwali studied for a Ph.D. degree from the University of Michigan from 1987 through 1991. His thesis was not accepted by a committee of internal and external examiners and thus he was not awarded the degree. Emeagwali filed a court challenge, stating that the decision was a violation of his civil rights and that the university had discriminated against him in several ways because of his race. The court challenge was dismissed, as was an appeal to the Michigan state Court of Appeals.[13]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Emeagwali

He is not even a real Dr.!! Tragic!

lol@humannature, stoopid azz kurd >:( taking source from wiklipedia, horus has proved u time and time again wrong, persian civilization is not older than afrikan civilizations, ur nomadic and barbaric ancestors were plunderers and murderers, smell a sewer rat when i see one, u can woo all the sympathy here, because lotta people dat sympathise with you, are not pan afrikans and garveyites,horus and i, are deeply rooted into our history and culture, afrikans have the OLDEST DNA  in the planet and the oldest geneology@ sedentary caveman@humannature.

I think if people do have symphaty for me here it's because I dont insult people in every post and that I try to back things up. I don't claim things wildly without showing why and how I got this information. The issue of who is more ancient is open to debate, even though archelogical findings that fit the framework for what we today call a civilization indicate that the oldest known civilization was that of ancient mesopotamia.

Findings say that all humans came from africa, the first migration started 70'000 years ago. Do not confuse these people, who probably were still hunter/gatherers, with people who built the civilizations in mesopotamia. They were the decendants of the original emigrants but they had changed appearance, after all around 65'000 years had passed.

If you use your logic, then you can claim ancient greece, rome or even todays european nations to be african.

Why an american President will leave the White house to come to give a speech to congralulate an unknown, scientist?. Can you answer? . Did you listen to Bill Clinton's claims in the video?

It's called political sensationalism....and frankly, if Bill Clinton could not find anyone other than a failed Dr. to call "the bill gates of africa" then there is something wrong with how education is run is certain parts of the world. The internet was never and will never be a one man project.

Read the previous post, this fake Dr. did not have a lasting contribution in the development of the internet. So I would barely even include him among the 1000s of people who developed the internet.

Give credit were it is deserved...

And of course Bill Clinton will choose an unknow an failled Dr to destroy himself and his own reputation as a President?,Brillant!! .This dont make any sense, this is not political sensationalism. You simply consider Dr Philip Emeagwali as unknow just because he is black, this show your lack of sincerity. To get the facts you have to use many many differents sources of informations and use ,reason,evidence, and experience, Not wikipedia only wich is certainly your homepage. All the non-blacks who come here are all the same they all time claim not to be racist but their posts are showing the contrary. You are just a confirmation of this fact and we cannot trust you here. Never.

You can try and brand me all you want. Im keeping my responses coming because I know there is much more intelligent black people on this forum than you. Let me ask you your own question, have you seen the video?

Did Bill Clinton in any part of it say that  Emeagwali was the "father of the internet"? NO! He says that Emeagwali won the Gordon Bell Price...also he called him the "bill gates of africa", that is all the praise that the president came with. So how exactly would this ruin clintons career? Presidents hold 100s if not 1000s of these purely political sugar speeches to make people happy.
Your own video disproves your own claim...this tell me about YOUR sincerity....its lacking..

Are you desperately looking for african role models? Let me assist! Here are real scientists with real accomplishments, nobel price reciepents:

Naguib Mahfouz, Litterature - Egyptian
Mohamed ElBaradei, Peace Prize - Egyptian
Mohamad Anwar Al Sadat, Peace Prize - Egyptian
Ahmed H. Zewail, Chemistry - Egyptian


I chose these people because they are as african as you are.

It is time for you to be removed from this forum. It is you who called Dr Emeagali an Unknow and Failled scientist, So how can an Unknow and Failled scientist won the Gordon Bell Price and also be called the "bill gates of africa"??. If he was a Khurd you would have recognised him as a brillant scientist but because he is Black you put dirt on him, You are are just an hypocrit racist piece of shit!!!!


This is exactly what I tald you if an American President leave the White House to come to give a speech, this mean that Dr Emeagali CANNOT be an Unknow and Failled scientist otherwise this will damage this career.


Listen to me little **** Khurdish ***, here you are talking here about INVADERS of Africa. I dont make ANY difference between Pales Arabs and Caucasians whose racism and religious imperialism is responsible for the destruction of Black African civilizations. The Pales Arabs and other Semites will never respect Black Africans and will continue the extermination of Black Africans so they can depopulate the continent of Blacks and occupy it, as they have done in Northern Africa. The main problem in Africa today is one of alien Arab occupation of African lands, alien Arab control of African resources. African spirituality MUST BE REESTABLISHED ALL OVER THE AFRICAN CONTINENT AND RELIGIONS THAT PROMOTE THE CULTURE, BELIEFS AND RACISM OF OTHER PEOPLES SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED,exactly like racist piece of shit like you who come to this site to promote the culture,and beliefs of other people should not be tolerated.

It was you who called him the "father of the internet" (lol). Also, I did read about this "Dr"....it turned out that his PhD thesis was rejected...and even after he filed charges against his university, he lost in court! So yes this guy is a big 0. This "Dr" is certainly of no significance in the field of the internet...because he made no lasting or significant contribution to it...how hard can it be to swallow your pride and stick to the facts about this "Dr"?.....stop living in a dream world. There is PLENTY of other africans who deserve this recognition.

I think you assume too much about northen africa. Northern Africa including Egypt was not a 100% black community. Africa is not a country, its a continent! There is many different tribes of different complexions and appearences. The funny thing is that you are using a "white" term for a geographic area and at the same time trying to link this term to only black culture, how are you thinking?

Arabs may be a new group to Northern Africa(debatable), but they are african non the less. They are obviously not black but they are african, at least those living on the african continent. You need to distinguish between "black" and african. You can be a white african the same way you can be a black european.

I think it is you who are the racist. You have constantly literally attacked other races and at the same time cannot handle critizism of your information and ideas. Im saying that all races are equal while you are saying whites, persians, prussian, kurds and all other non-blacks are savages. Sorry to disappoint but the world do not spin around your black supremacy madness. Now be quiet or return to topic.

Naguib Mahfouz, Litterature - Egyptian
Mohamed ElBaradei, Peace Prize - Egyptian
Mohamad Anwar Al Sadat, Peace Prize - Egyptian
Ahmed H. Zewail, Chemistry - Egyptian


all of dem are white arabs, who calls black africans abeed, listen u **** kurdish go find ur crew, u come here with ur agenda of downgrading any achievement that africa has contributed to the world,u are soo brave but u didnt stay in ur enclave in kurd land, spineless people, you are the direct descedant of murders,criminals and assassines.who have raped,tortured and maimed afrikans.

Actually if you speak about kurds in general, we did stay in our homelands. We fought against modern armies who had tanks, helicopters and aircraft with our light weapons! We endured two genocides and we are still here. Stronger than ever. We were even attacked with Weapons of mass destruction. So who are you to speak about the courage of the kurds? LOL

You don't even have the spine to tell us were exactly from Africa you come from. Afraid Im going to do a comparision......?   ::)


To me, Arabs who live in Africa are called Africans as well. The name African is not automatically the same as "Black"...Africa was NEVER 100% black. I think Im going to visit the Pyramids soon, it will be great to see some of the wonders of the ancient world. I will be knowing that it was built by a mix of people who worked together to create a great civilization.


You should read about the Copts, they are allegedly the decendants of the ancient lower egyptians. They make up around 15% of egypts population, and I think they represent how lower Egypt looked like sense several millenia..:


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Former Secretary General of the UN Boutros Boutros Ghali

To me, Arabs who live in Africa are called Africans as well. The name African is not automatically the same as "Black"...Africa was NEVER 100% black. I think Im going to visit the Pyramids soon, it will be great to see some of the wonders of the ancient world. I will be knowing that it was built by a mix of people who worked together to create a great civilization.

My friend I think you are missing the point about Ancient Egypt.  It's true that it was not 100% black african, but that's because there were at various times Greeks, Romans, and Persians coming there to study.  Ancient Egypt was in its day the cultural center of the ancient world, so people from all over the world migrated there to study, gain knowledge, and just be in a place of such beauty.

In terms of the rulership of Ancient Egypt, it was most definitely black african.  the only time it wasn't was during the persian, roman, and greek eras.  This was the time when the forementioned peoples invaded and took over Ancient Kemet as it was called by the inhabitants.

If any of the pyramids were built by a mix of people, it is under this context that they were built.  I don't believe any of them were, though, but I don't know.

Ancient Egypt, or Kemet, was known as land of the burnt skin peoples.  You can't tell me my friend that burnt skin peoples is a description of Arabs, greeeks, persians or Romans.  The Coptic Christians I am not sure about.  Just looking at their color, they seem to me to be the same as Arabs, in which case, they could Never have been descendents of the Ancient Egyptians.  Ancient Egypt was a multicultural nation filled with many different types of black africans as well as a minority of persians romans,and greeks depending who the conqueror was at that time.

If you don't believe me, you can check out Basil Davidsons Africa video series; it's long but thorough. Or you could check out Blacks in Science Ancient and Modern edited by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima. Page 67 deals with the pyramids of egypt.

Take it esy,