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mwanaafrika
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« on: July 03, 2007, 07:36:38 AM »


 Leaders split over African unity
Southern and East African leaders have rejected plans to set up a pan-African government, as suggested by Libya's head of state Col Muammar Gaddafi.

Uganda's Yoweri Museveni said he backed economic integration but said Africa was too diverse for one government.

"Politically we should only integrate with people who are either similar or compatible with us," he said, according to Uganda's state-owned media.

Senegal, however, backed the plans and said a breakaway group could be formed.

'Bottom-up approach'

On the final day of the African Union (AU) summit, the BBC's Will Ross in the Ghanaian capital, Accra, says there are clear differences of opinion over the degree of integration and the speed.

   
HAVE YOUR SAY
I want to buy the idea of having a United States of Africa but let's first of all try to resolve the issue in Sudan and Zimbabwe
Lucien Momoh, Freetown

Ghana's Foreign Minister Nana Akufo-Addo believes such problems were inevitable but can be overcome.

"You know the problems that you have in the European Union with 25 members, now 27, to arrive at common positions - we have 53," he said.

"So clearly there'll be problems involved for people to adjust and I believe that the 53 states will find a way of sharing and joining in the consensus as to the future direction of our continental organisation."

Senegal, one of Africa's most stable democracies, is backing Mr Gaddafi's call for the immediate set up of a pan-African government.

"We are ready to abandon partially or totally our sovereignty to join a unity government in Africa. So we have no problem. My president is here with his pen ready to sign," Senegalese Foreign Minister Cheikh Tidiane Gadio said.

He suggested a small group of states could sign up to a federation now and wait for others to follow.

The leaders of Kenya and Lesotho, representing southern Africa, also expressed their doubts.

"We recognise that Africa's interests would be best served through economic and political integration," AFP news agency quotes Lesotho's Prime Minister Bethuel Pakalitha Mosisil as saying.

"However we must adopt a bottom-up approach, not a top-down one - We believe that such integration should be gradual rather than precipitous."

Our correspondent says the majority of African leaders are likely to call for a gradual approach, preferring to strengthen the existing regional blocs rather than signing away some of their own sovereignty.

'Take the bull by the horns'

The idea of a single pan-African government was first promoted by Kwame Nkrumah, who led Ghana to independence in 1957.

On Monday, Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe said unity was vital to make the continent truly independent of the West, as he spoke to a crowd of cheering Ghanaians.

   My vision is to wake up the African leaders to unify our continent
Muammar al-Gaddafi

Mr Gaddafi has called for the immediate establishment of a single government, foreign policy and army.

Ghana's President John Kufuor said in his opening speech to the conference that the question of unifying Africa was not in doubt, but the key issue was how to attain it.

AU Commission head Alpha Oumar Konare told the gathering that Africans needed to "take the bull by the horns and move towards a new country - Africa".

But campaigners on the sidelines of the summit say delivery is the key problem, with leaders already having shown they are unwilling to give up power to regional economic blocs.

"We have regional economy communities that were put in place for West Africa... but nothing is working. From one country to another... there are still a lot of obstacles," a campaigner for the organisation Call To Action Against Poverty told the BBC.

This summit is the ninth since the AU was created five years ago.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/africa/6264612.stm

Published: 2007/07/03 11:12:33 GMT

© BBC MMVII
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mwanaafrika
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2007, 08:18:51 AM »

Yes pan-Afrikan as pioneered by Kwame Nkrumah was a good idea for the Afrikans only. Pan-Afrikan never meant Afrikans and Arabs , NO NO NO !  Whats so different about the Arabs in north Afrika and those enslaving & killing our Afrikan brothers and sisters in Darfur and Southern Sudan ? Yeah, i know one will say or think those in north Afrika are maghrebs or berbers or whatever. Well, i say they are Arabs and same as those enslaving and killing my brothers and sisters in Darfur and Southern Sudan.

Not all of us Afrikans are mercenaries or renegades to accept a Arab dominated "United States of Afrika" under the umbrella of "pan-Afrikanism". In the first placel, Afrika does not need one government, it needs individual national development and economic co-operation (UJAMA) for the good of our mighty Afro race, not for no arabs, white, asian or any other race. We should be done with working for others, its time to start working for ourselves. Currently, we have the chinese invasion for cheap raw materials, we better deal with that or they will be the next colonisers. Commrades we already have the Arab problem in Mauritania, Sudan, Chard, Mali and Niger. So lets cut the cancer and not allow it to spray by rejecting such scums hiding in such Afrikan ideas like Pan-African. 


MUNTU WA MWANA MUNTU WA AFRIKA UMOJA.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2007, 06:39:38 PM »

Afro Muntu...

Yours is truly a message of LOVE... Love for Africa and all it's people.. People should receive this Love, bask in it, and then share it around with all their family and neighbors... UJAMA, economic cooperation, is a wonderful thing.. It should work well for  AFRICANS just as it works well for other groups...

America has perfected it.. It works so well for them that they are presently forcing their form of it on as many other NATIONS of the world as they can... But it was not that easy for them to achieve it in the beginning..  They had to form several cooperative groups & then fight a very serious and deadly civil war in order to solidify it, as other Americans wanted to go in a totally different direction...

Individual states, Nations, or territories are fine when they are mostly agreeable, and are working on the same page... But when each group or LEADER has different ideas, or if they harbor grievences, jealousy's, or hostilities against each-other, or between various groups, then NOTHING will ever get accomplished... (like N O W)...

That's why an organized UNION of NATIONS is a must... Not that one (1) person should be set-up to lead and/or decide for all, but so all can come together to discuss, dialogue & plan their actions... Not actions that help one NATION only, but actions designed to help the whole group of NATIONS, with each neighbor doing it's part to make certain progress is made...

Take South Africa & Zimbabwe for instance... One has WHITES owning all the land & controlling all the power & economics, while the other is trying desparately to reverse that condition in their country... What's so strange about it is that millions of poor BLACKS are dying in both countries from lack of opportunities & desease, while MILLIONS of WHITE BABIES are being  born in absolute healthy & wealthy situations... This new WHITE population is rapidly forcing  AFRICANS to an early grave, and they are the ones being born into privelege & opportunity....  (Only the few AFRICANS cooperating with these WHITES get's some of these opportunities....)

Neither of these two  majority BLACK countries are helping each other out... One country is being influenced by non-AFRICAN people and appears to be a model NAT ION, but still it's dying Black population is rapidly being replaced daily by healthy WHITES & ASIANS... As the White & Asian population grows, there are fewer opportunities left for Black Africans...

If these two NAT IONS were locked into UJAMA with other NATIONS of that area, then these circumstances could be quickly REVERSED...

Look at the strife that's been going on between the DRC, Uganda, Rwanda, etal... There are plenty of resources that can be shared & marketed to the WEST for profit.. This profit could help the whole area tremendously, if only they could work together instead of fighting each-other constantly...

As it is now, the WEST still gets those resources, but at a much cheaper price, DOLLAR-wise, eventho' many many AFRICANS are loosing their lives in this current arrangement...

Then there's NIGERIA... With all that OIL WEALTH (Black Gold)... In a cooperative arrangement, all these resources, including the diamond, cobalt, timber & oil, could erase poverty,  desease & death thru' out AFRICA, if the LEADERS could come together, work out a CONSENSUS... And then act in the best interest of all of AFRICA....

i believe in a UNITED AFRICAN ALLIANCE, of some sort, but i agree with you.... It should be for all AFRICANS... NOT ARABS....  Religion should not be the determining factor in who can participate... Traditional, X-tians, or Muslim are okay, so long as they all LOVE and are DEVOTED to the MOTHERLAND... Worship as you choose... Just do the 'right thing" for AFRICA....

AFRICA should be for AFRICANS only, and for those friendly immigrants that the AFRICANS decide to let into their country.... Haven't we been SCAMMED enough already?Huh? Geesh... Let's use our E D U C A T I O N.....
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Will...

"Individuality" is a very good thing... but... "Team-Work" is way more "Better"...
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