Homosexuality is against nature

[jemba]

Homosexuality is against nature, people who practice homosexuality are hurting their souls because society does not accept homosexuality. I understand why people would be offended with my reasoning because some people might have lesbian or gay friends the world lets people in society do as they please because there is no longer natural laws. We all know the type of society the Europeans encourages. If homosexuality is natural then so is paedophilia and we should all let Michael Jackson do as he pleases that’s if he does do it?
If homosexuality is natural then so are mixed marriages
(to people who say that homosexuality is natural) why is it only human beings that show this blatant disrespect of all natural laws, that even animals respect with their very lesser intelligence. We can’t develop that attitude of just saying (if it’s happening then its meant to be) human being has committed every insult to nature you can think of. Nature still gives us its love and even continues to respect us. Nature only asks us to respect the laws that even she has to respects. Who are we to break them?
Animals are closer to nature then humans, has anyone ever seen a wild animal giving birth to a handicapped offspring.  

[preach]

Your reasoning is ignorant. Animals can give birth to deformed or handicapped offspring. The difference between homosexuality and pedophilia is the latter is a fondness for children that involves molestation and abuse. If you do some research you will learn that homosexuality does occur in the lesser animal kingdom.

[jemba]

Peace Brother preach

We have to have an open mind; people have made stupidity and ignorance their own institution. Normal people misinterpret homosexuality and paedophilia they don’t know where it came from and why people did such things. Society now have an open mind, when I say open mind I mean a weak one that can be influenced or initiated into things that they, before thought was disgraceful or satanic.

If you look at our brothers and sisters in the western world and our brothers and sisters in afrika and you will see a very low tolerance level from our afrikan brothers and almost anything is expectable by our brothers and sisters in the western world.


In afrika oral sex is considered very indecent so is porn and even a child speaking back to an adult is considered as something that is very unusual. There are still influences from the west in what clothes they wear and what kind of shoes they wear and off course poverty makes people do the strangest things such as prostitution and alcohol abuse and a lost of identity but not as bad as the people from the west.


There is no point of me mentioning what the Nubian people in the west have been initiated into. One example of initiation is the changing of names if you give yourself a European name you loose your connection with your ancestors and your deities, you become like a thing instead of a person, your spirit has no identity your soul has no identity so you are now open to be manipulated spiritually.


Masturbation, porn, sex are all rituals exactly like blood sacrifices people do a lot of things they don’t understand, that is because there has been no explanation from birth and their souls are also trapped and unable to guide he or she in this esoteric world where everything is a trap from signing your name to a piece of paper to the words you speak. You loose your language you loose your vibrations you loose you power on earth, you use somebody else’s language not knowing where it came from and what kind of people spoke that language.


People are still thinking as the people in Galileo times the world is run by blood thirsty creatures that hold just a little more knowledge then you. Just before you die and your veil is lifted you will see whose image this reality is made in.

The greatest creation on earth is our souls the energies our souls let out shape the earth and the mental state we are in is chaos.


     

[Recredo]

Jemba said:  

“...people who practice homosexuality are hurting their souls because society does not accept homosexuality...”

Not all societies throughout all time have rejected homosexuality.  In fact, a little bit of investigation using a search engine of your choice using the keywords “homosexuality Africa” will yield many results commenting on indigenous African homosexuality.

Although the last word is not yet in, science tends to tip the balance in favor of there being a predominant genetic cause for homosexuality, therefore, when the genetic cause of
homosexuality is announced, those religions which have persecuted, tried, tortured and executed members of the homosexual community will have a lot to answer for, indeed, even before the very throne of God Himself.

In cyberspace, there is information regarding homosexuality in ancient African societies which was practiced not only by the common ancient Egyptian, by nobles and priests but also by the Egyptian gods (Horus and Seth) as well as other documentary evidence of homosexuality in the African continent in the remote past which would serve to eradicate modern ignorance on the subject of homosexuality on the African continent.

Just the same, native African homosexuality has been studied and documented in the recent past, proof of which is presented below.

http://www-mcnair.berkeley.edu/2000journal/Gayfield/Gayfield.html

“...The historical antecedents of the African American marginalization of Black male homosexuals can be traced in part to the Afrocentric claim that homosexuality "was almost non-existent among indigenous Blacks in Africa" (Cress Welsing 81). This claim is linked to a central concept in Afrocentric discourse: the dichotomy it posits between European decadence and as yet uncorrupted pre-colonial African cultures. Thus the Afrocentric claim that there were no
indigenous African homosexualities is essentially a claim that homosexuality in the African American community is a result of contact with Europe...

... Recent scholarship within the last two years, however, does not support the widespread popular belief that homosexuality was alien to traditional African cultures. Stephen Murray's and Will Roscoe's groundbreaking study of pre-colonial African sexualities and their portrayal in
European anthropological discourse, for example--Boy Wives and Female Husbands-Studies of African Homosexualities (1998), documents same-sex relations among men in a number of pre-colonial African societies. Among these: Zanzibar and the regions now known as Angola, (which prior to colonialism was the region of the Lunda Kingdom), Zimbabwe (formerly known as Great Zimbabwe),Cameroon (was considered to be the land of the Bakweri, Dualal, and Fang before colonialism), and Hausa.(formerly known as Hausauland)...

...The scholar Mark Gevisser's recently published account of mid-nineteenth century Zulu culture, for example, suggests that the Zulu king Shaka encouraged his warriors to engage in "thigh-sex" in order to "create intimacy and loyalty" among them (Gevisser 961). There are also some contemporary accounts of homosexual practices that survive from classical Africa. Malidoma Some¢¢ author of the autobiographical Water and Spirit (1994), for example, notes that the West African Dagara culture has traditionally and continues to regard male homosexuals as "guardians" of its "continuity with the gods and spirits that "dwell" in Southern Burkina Faso(Some¢¢ interview quoted in Murray and Roscoe 93)...”

As for homosexuality being against nature, the following:

In Bruce Bagemihl’s 572-page book, "Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality & Natural Diversity," nominated in 1999 for a Pulitzer Prize, contains 200 years of scientific observations of animal behavior in hundreds of species both in the wild & in captivity of homosexuality in animals from insects to reptiles, to birds to mammals, including the most intelligent species such as primates & dolphins.

The Bonobos, a species of small chimpanzees of Africa, are well known for their homosexual activities. Homosexuality serves the Bonobos in strengthening friend bonds, reducing stress and physical violence.

Pity, the observation skills of Africans who live in proximity to Bonobos and other homosexuality-practicing animals were not developed enough to have taken cue from nature itself on the naturalness of homosexuality and the social values of homosexuality which for such an overpopulated continent as Africa, homosexuality would be a non-life threatening form of birth control such as are abortions and infanticide.

The same lack of observation skills applies to Europeans who live in proximity to their own homosexuality-practicing farm animals and still insist on denying homosexuality's natural state and its social values.

There are many documented scientific observations in Bagemihl's book of animals engaging in homosexual acts in the wild even in the presence of abundant sexual partners of the opposite sex, therefore, homosexuality is a natural sexual  orientation in the animal kingdom which is not the result of cultural conditions such as sexual identification due to parental role models or lack thereof. If homosexuality in animals is not cultural, then, the only other option is that it is
genetic. Regardless, of all the spiritual trappings that some like to attribute to the human species which, I, too believe, and that these elevate humankind above the rest of mortal creation, humans are also members of the animal kingdom, mammals to be specific, and as such are subject to the
same laws of genetics.

Considering the vast amount of scientific documentation regarding the ubiquity of animal homosexuality, to claim that homosexuality is against nature is false.

[jemba]

Hotep Recredo peace


When you say human beings you have to be more specific. The world isn’t as it should be, if you say animals practice homosexuality or even SEX then you are, speaking modern day’s human being point of view? If you put to males in a cage for 30 years and expose them to sexual images constantly sooner or later you will label homosexual.

I have never seen an animal masturbating or fondling itself? I have never seen a male chimpanzee penetrating another male chimpanzee? How many times do animals mate in a season? Animals don’t have sex or don’t involve pleasure with mating.

The animals who we call human beings are now within their own cycle which they have created. When we have to compare human beings to animals we know there is something wrong with our spirits, our spirits was not suppose to be controlled by nature.

If the world is like this it is because of the people who are ruling it, if you are an afrikan I will ask you to look for knowledge from afrikans that is one thing our own people do not do. Stop getting second hand materials from the Europeans they have already troubled our minds enough. Afrikans know their own history and WAY OF LIFE the Europeans cannot even put into his or her mind that we never use to think about sex.

Our afrikan ancestors believed a man and a woman had their marriage arranged within the spiritual realm before they were born. The man and the woman in flesh would then marry to give birth so they can bring spirits who they were supposed to bring down to this earth.

We are just portals for new souls to come through to exist in this realm. When the man and woman are bonded in the spirit realm they also will know who is going to come through that portal.


Yenge muntu

 

[Bantu_Kelani]

Jemba,

9 out every 10 men dream about a threesome which in itself is a homosexual act, so your infantile usage of the word " unnatural" to expose your unhappiness with gay people, and what homosexual act is unacceptable is being a hypocrite! Respect, every one deserves it no matter what.

If someone in your family comes to you and says is gay, are-you going to kill him, or try to understand him? It shouldn't matter what is our sexual orientation, what matter is the respect, and again this is exactly what black people need. Instead of talking about homosexuality I will be more than happy to see black people find a way to live together solid like a rock, because gay was there, gay always will be there, we don’t have enough power to stop it .This is the reason why you should shut about it and decide to respect people choices.

B.K

[jemba]

Hotep sister kelani




9 out every 10 men dream about a threesome which in itself is a homosexual act, so your infantile usage of the word "unnatural" to expose your unhappiness with gay people and what homosexual act is unacceptable is being a hypocrite! Respect, every one deserves it no matter what.


I don’t decide what or how people think; every person from birth has been taught by the bible and society that we are born to have a partner who is not the same gender as us. We are also told how a human being should look, we also learn a lot from our parents who live according to the laws of society.

Modern day human beings are just a program with limitations. That is why modern day human beings cannot live side by side with other human beings who are different to them in anyway. No matter what people say their point of view are towards handicaps, homosexuals, or obesity they will always have that program within them deep inside that cause them to fear and fear realises  negative energies.

That is how human beings communicate through thought (mental energy)then vibrations(physical energy) so if a person goes against what a (normal that’s the word people use) the normal mind can’t explain a normal person will put up a defence barrier which is their aura to harm or to protect their thoughts.

Its not easy being an outcast normal people will not let anyone who is different vibrate in the same frequency as them so they have to find others who will.

Every time someone who is not considered normal is around beings or spirits that are considered normal they know that their not accepted. Our spirit needs to be accepted by its group.

When our group dose not accept or understand they will attack it doesn’t have to be physical and this will make that persons spirit start to loose its balance they no longer want to be in this realm so they commit suicide or abuse drugs to take them to another dimension.  


Believe it or not we are not just made out of flesh and bone.




If someone in your family comes to you and says is gay, are-you going to kill him, or try to understand him? It shouldn't matter what is our sexual orientation, what matter is the respect, and again this is exactly what black people need. Instead of talking about homosexuality I will be more than happy to see black people find a way to live together solid like a rock, because gay was there, gay always will be there, we don't have enough power to stop it .This is the reason why you should shut about it and decide to respect people choices.


It takes someone with an open spirit who is not bound to societies program to understand and question things others will not.

I can only kill in self defence

If we truly believe in reincarnation then we should know that in the world our spirits dwell before we are in flesh. We have no need to reproduce, we have no need for physical pleasure, why is it we only seek out these things when we are in the flesh?
When we first came into this garden we where our spirits in the flesh but as the world turned, we became flesh with a spirit and as the world turned we became flesh alone.


The world is upside down we could say it is our own fault or we could blame it on Lucifer but it will still be upside down. So we have to find away get our spirits standing upright then the world will stand up the Wright way.


If we believe in karma then we know that two energies which are the same cannot combine to make one. If you go against a law which is so visible then you pay the consequences the laws and the deities have no pity or a concept of time.


Homosexuality can easily be explained it was created by human beings it doesn’t go anywhere else.  


   
   

[Recredo]



Our afrikan ancestors believed a man and a woman had their marriage arranged within the spiritual realm before they were born. The man and the woman in flesh would then marry to give birth so they can bring spirits who they were supposed to bring down to this earth.

Not all Africans share the same ancestors and there are thousands of African tribes who do not share the same spiritual beliefs and folkloric heritage. Don’t claim to speak for all Africans because you only represent your own cultural origins not the whole of Africa’s.

Again, do your own homework and you will find plenty of internet information regarding indigenous African homosexuality.  Your insistence in keeping your head in the sand to deny the reality of indigenous African homosexuality before European colonization is only detrimental to your own intellectual progress. Other Africans know better and continue along with the rest of humanity in their intellectual and spiritual evolution based on their knowledge of reality which
includes the diversity of the human experience throughout all time over the entire face of the earth.

[Bantu_Kelani]

Obese and handicap people are "freaks" just because the majority of the society doesn’t care for them???? Wow...

I am from Congo too (the DR Congo), but Jemba represents absolutely not the ideology of all the Congolese people, although I must say that homosexuality is taboo in our community. He is very disturbing... a case of psychiatric arena I have to say!

B.K

[jemba]

Hotep Recredo




Not all Africans share the same ancestors and there are thousands of African tribes who do not share the same spiritual beliefs and folkloric heritage.




The question is did homosexuality exist when mammals begun to evolve?
We where more intelligence and closer to nature in the beginning, the first creatures on earth where much more superior to what we are now.

Now we are just lawless apes who think that they have evolved because they can speak and write or create meaningless things.

Ignore the word human being and lets look at the word Spirit or Ancestors, do you really think the first spirits or souls or ancestors even knew the words lesbian or gay or homosexuals?

When where we exposed to such things? After contact with the European race not before, when did we begin to loose our discipline after contact with the European race?  

We all have the same beginning and our cultures are tied? If a person asks a Yoruba or an Ashanti high priest about homosexuality they will tell you exactly the same thing I am saying.





Again, do your own homework and you will find plenty of internet information regarding indigenous African homosexuality.



Like I said I can’t read second hand material it’s very easy to be fooled by a scholar or somebody with a title. We preach hate against the bible but when scholars and doctors reveal new and indigenous discovery we get fooled by the same people.




Your insistence in keeping your head in the sand to deny the reality of indigenous African homosexuality before European colonization is only detrimental to your own intellectual progress.


Yes we where colonized by the Europeans but before this they lived in our lands for more then 4000 years. We took them out of there own mental bondages and educated them and gave them land.

Yesu or in Aramaic Yeshua meaning saviour, that what they use to call us now we call them god?




Other Africans know better and continue along with the rest of humanity in their intellectual and spiritual evolution based on their knowledge of reality which
,Includes the diversity of the human experience throughout all time over the entire face of the earth.



We always end up separating our race at the end for our own sake don’t we?
There is one way or no way, the path to spirituality is one way, if there were many options to the most HIGH for the black race then there would be confusion and that’s not how it works.


As for developing homosexuality and unnatural kayos with the rest of the world if that is was you mean by developing. Then that’s the over way not the one which way I was talking about.


Sooner or later the truth will come out we are in the period of the water barer, no one will be able to hide the truth any more. Things people use to do within their own houses hiding away from the darkness is out in the open.


Marabous and which doctors offer their services out in the open?

Soon there will be a line drawn one side for the people who want to be in the path to darkness the most high. The other for people who want to do what they want in the light.

The path to the most high is very strict and discipline yet the same gods who wrote the laws are now breaking them.


I am not a homophobia to me homosexuality does not exist and there is a simple an explanation for everything, on this earth nothing that happens is an accident.

I overstand people will be hurt by my words because they may have family or may be ************* them selves, but the truth hurts and also offers a new path, we can’t be blamed for what you didn’t know or can we?




 



 

[jemba]

Hotep sister kelani



Obese and handicap people are "freaks" just because the majority of the society doesn't care for them? Wow...  


Everything can be explained but people will never tolerate the explanations, its all to do with our previous lives.

In the words of yoda

“Pain leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering”


I am from Congo too (the DR Congo), but Jemba represents absolutely not the ideology of all the Congolese people, although I must say that homosexuality is taboo in our community. He is very disturbing... a case of psychiatric arena I have to say!



Congo is the European land.

Kongo is our ancestors and our land

As long as we keep on calling our selves congoles or CONGO

We will still be under that flag or illuminati or under the 5 pointed star

The flag mobutu seseseko kizabanga gave tour countrie with the illuminaty sign traped many minds till today.

I don’t agree with killing a human spirit or even caging a human spirit. Nature has its own way with dealing with peoples mistakes where not on this earth for that where here to correct our own.

Bundu Dia kongo

Union of the most high

Kongo dia tontela

Land of the gods

Or Egypt

The kongolese people at list have some moral values within their system but the killing and beatings of homosexuality is wrong.

We create that why we are demy gods, we create our own environment that is why the world is upside down, and what ever we think happens.  

Babylon must burn a society in the image of who?

[Recredo]

There not being anything of special import worth replying in your latest post, I have, however, identified a matter of spelling that may, at least, provide the readers of this thread with some entertainment if not much food for thought.

Both Congo and Kongo as you write them, have the letters “C” and “K” from the English language in which this forum is conducted.  The English alphabet is derived from the Latin alphabet which in turn is derived from the Greek which was derived from the Phoenician alphabet which some contend has some distant connection to Egyptian hieroglyphics.  

Is your native African language, the one you actually speak in your home, written in its own native alphabet? Do you have any proof that the alphabet of your native language is derived from the Egyptian hieroglyphics from which the English, Latin, Greek and Phoenician alphabets may have derived to give your spelling of Congo as Kongo as having any pertinent authority or is it just your particular brand of politically motivated "poetic license?"

Although, the name of the last Macedonian Greek queen of Egypt, Cleopatra, is spelled with a “C” in English, in her own native Greek language, she spelled it with a “K.” But, then, with all the archaeological proof dug up from the Egyptian sands and displayed in the Cairo Museum, which includes statues, coins sculpted and struck during her own reign bearing her likeness portraying her with non-black, indigenous African features and her genealogy, it would not surprise me if you were to contend that Kleopatra was of black-Afrikan descent because she was born on the Afrikan Kontinent.

There being other threads in this forum in which intelligent people discuss issues of importance intelligently, I will be returning to this particular thread for comic relief.

Have a good one.

[jemba]

RECREDO

Both Congo and Kongo as you write them, have the letters "C" and "K" from the English language in which this forum is conducted.  The English alphabet is derived from the Latin alphabet which in turn is derived from the Greek which was derived from the Phoenician alphabet which some contend has some distant connection to Egyptian hieroglyphics




JEMBA
It’s all to do with (pronunciations) there is no need for the letter C you can use the letter K for exactly the same pronunciations. Kat cat, censored or sensored where is the difference.

The reason the letter c is in the Roman alphabet, call them Phoenicians call them Greeks, right now they are Romans. They cant or don’t want to admit we taught and civilised them. So they make very small changes to what was already there just to satisfy there narrow minds.


You can also ask our sister Mundele Kelani(joking) if the kongolese people use these three alphabetical words (C Q R) in lingala which is spoken in the kongolese capital kinshasha.






RECREDO

Is your native African language, the one you actually speak in your home, written in its own native alphabet? Do you have any proof that the alphabet of your native language is derived from the Egyptian hieroglyphics from which the English, Latin, Greek and Phoenician alphabets may have derived to give your spelling of Congo as Kongo as having any pertinent authority or is it just your particular brand of politically motivated "poetic license?"





JEMBA

We don’t have a national language as of yet French is our national language, Inset that sad?

The male ancestors of my country use to write on stone and wood only for the future Bantu initiate’s educational purposes hieroglyphics was meant for initiate only, but most did not have to write their memories where very intact. The female ancestors of our country received their education aurally.  
The Bantus of kongo had the ability to communicate with animals or with each other through telekinesis or just intuition.




RECREDO

Although, the name of the last Macedonian Greek queen of Egypt, Cleopatra, is spelled with a "C" in English, in her own native Greek language, she spelled it with a "K." But, then, with all the archaeological proof dug up from the Egyptian sands and displayed in the Cairo Museum, which includes statues, coins sculpted and struck during her own reign bearing her likeness portraying her with non-black, indigenous African features and her genealogy, it would not surprise me if you were to contend that Kleopatra was of black-Afrikan descent because she was born on the Afrikan Kontinent.



JEMBA

Cleopatra was white she was a full blooded roman. Everything you see in the the Cairo museum will distort the truth. After the Bantu decided to give up their land and leave it to the Romans and the malato race the Romans changed allot things.
If you want to learn about afikan history ask afrikans themselves.


Animals don’t even respect humans anymore, we have the potential to grow but we choose to suckle on our mother’s tits for life we are babes.

Yeshua “we have the abilities to move mountain only if our hearts where pure” in other words if your heart chakra was working correctly you would have the abilities to move objects.

Your soul has many abilities but if your mind is wayward you won’t be able to explore them. To be pure means to avoid things that will create self doubt and how will a homosexual ever evolve to his or hers full potential.
Being a homosexual is nothing but a big weight on your conscious “big karma”.


Like humans say “to each his owns” I wonder what that means?

   



Tell me something do you agree with artificial insemination @RECREDO  










 

[jemba]

If there is no answer from you then I will have to conclude this post by asking everyone a question "WHAT BENEFITS DO HOMO SEXUALS PROVIDE FOR OUR SOCIETYS" without male and female relations we human beings or animals would not exist. Its not afrikan to be a homosexual neither is it holy or unholy it’s just a punishment from nature.

[Bantu_Kelani]

There being other threads in this forum in which intelligent people discuss issues of importance intelligently, I will be returning to this particular thread for comic relief.

I agree with you!

B.K