europeans owns most of the productive lands in africa!

[afrikanrebel06]

greetings of peace and serenity kelani and the rest of the afrikan world

i want to bring to the attention of people,that europeans own 99.9 percent of productive and arable land in afrika,we also know,there are foreign trained mercenaries as well african nationals being trained by those same foreign mercenaries,what are you thoughts tyemba,kelani, and the rest of the fam,heck dem europeans also buying lands in brazil as well.

[mwanaafrika]

i want to bring to the attention of people,that europeans own 99.9 percent of productive and arable land in afrika

POINT OF CORRECTION HERE: Europeans do not own 99.9 per cent of productive and arable land in Afrika.

Not in my country nor any other Afrikan country i have travelled to.

Maybe say in your country and what country is that ? If thats tha situation in your country, there is urgent need for a revolution now, but i don't think thats true coz that was the first problem Afrikans tackled after the independence struggle, only few leaders like Mugabe, allowed the Europeans to remain with some lands and do commercial farming. Don't even mention Zimbabwe coz I have been there several times, Harare, Bulawayo, Matale, Great Zimbabwe ruins, Gweru, you name them places. Most of the Afrikan countries have among the worlds well watered, fertile and arable land, one would even wonder why some of these country's nationals have no clean drinking water, are still in poverty and even die from hunger & starvation. What is even worse is to ask for relief food from the West who started & caused our current economic misery and underdevelopment. What we've failed to do as nationals thru our leaders, is formulate & implement irrigation systems & sound agricultural policies to end this poverty.
So, Afrikanrebel06, if Europeans don't own 99.9 per cent of productive and arable land in Zimbabwe, Namibia and South Afrika then which Afrika or what part of that Afrika are you talkin about ? Bcoz these three are the only Afrikan countries with a considerable number of European citizens, others just have small numbers of tourists and fortune seekers pretending to be investors when they're actually hunting for Afrikas wealth.

Yes, we need to be radical when we appeoach and debate about issues affecting our race and mother Afrika but misleading people with such serious claims will not be tolerated. We are here to learn and broaden our knowledge base and not create confusion by posting statistically wrong information/data.
I CHALLENGE YOU TO MENTION SPECIFICALLY WHAT PART OF AFRIKA AND WHAT COUNTRY(S) ARE AFFECTED BY YOUR CLAIM. YOU SHOULD ALSO APPOLOGIZE TO THE FORUM FOR MISLEADING PEOPLE BY POSTING WRONG INFORMATION.


 
LONG LIVE AFRIKA !       ALUTA KONTINUA ! ! !

Mwanaafrika.

[afrikanrebel06]

you do havea valid point,what about angola,mozanbique,cape verde,botswana? what about kenya and tanzania? just questions, yah,in brazil,they are buying lands like crazy for cheap price too,even japanese as well

  about apology hmm lol,ok,lets just say,they own 50 percent,what about the countries i have mentioned.
another question,lets say,we kick the indo european aryan outta afrika and the a-rabs grave robbers,would afrika bea paradise? what ya think

a luta continua!

[mwanaafrika]

you do havea valid point,what about angola,mozanbique,cape verde,botswana? what about kenya and tanzania? just questions, yah,in brazil,they are buying lands like crazy for cheap price too,even japanese as well

To begin with.
Have you been to Angola, Mozambique, Botswana, Kenya and Tanzania ? Brazil is not in Afrika but in South America.
You have no correct information of what you talking about, you read the wrong infor and i aint surprised coz there is just too much wrong information plus bias history written by non-Afrikans.

I got a little assignment for u; Go read about general Afrikan history from 1950 - 198, especially from liberation struggle, independence and aftermath.
Research about great Afrikan leaders and founding fathers of the above countries; Samora Machel, Mzee Jomo Kenyatta, Mzee Julius Mwalimu Nyelele, Seretse Khama, and  Augatino Nato.

about apology hmm lol,ok,lets just say,they own 50 percent,what about the countries i have mentioned.

Now, thats guessing. we cant just say that, we need to tell it as it is. The countries you've mentioned have tiny non-Afrikan population who do not even own more than 10 per cent of the land. I have not been to Cape Verde yet but i know people who've been there. I have been to Angola, Mozambique, Botswana, Kenya and Tanzania. Thats untrue, research and ask other people or even go there if you get chance.  You will definately apologise when you know the truth, only time will tell. 

another question,lets say,we kick the indo european aryan outta afrika and the a-rabs grave robbers,would afrika bea paradise? what ya think

I think it would be paradise just like the great Marcus Garvey said it. Afrika for Afrikans.


mwanaafrika.

[afrikanrebel06]

ok sister!
another question,what makes you think,just because i am an afrikan from brazil,i dont know about almicar cabral,i dont know about jomo kenyatta,i dont know about any great afrikan leader,like samora marcel,when i dod meet in canada,people that did work with him,arent you assuming thing in advance,i know that maurice bishop was the only pan afrikan during the 80s and barbados,jamaica( with all dat jazz on rastafarism didnt shit on stick for grenadians,cubans helped grenadiansa lots while the rest of the caricom watched grenada being invaded)
wow!! you assumeda whole lotta things about me, you know,no grudges held though,
and i am planning my repatriation soon,i am not like the rastas be singing babylon this and babylon dat,
but they are still here in this modern day rome,stead of singing,they should work in imporving their situation
and get out of this shitstem that oppress dem,thats my opinion,anywayz,all the people,you have mentioned,i have books on dem,doctor eric willians and walter rodney,thanks for asking

[gman]

Excuse me Afrikanrebel06. The Grenadian Revolution was fought largely by Rastas. The revolutionary army was full up of Rastaman and Rastawomban as well. There were also Muslims involved. Whatever; they were grassroots Black people fighting against neo-colonialist slavery. Rastafari is not exclusive to Jamaica although it originated from there in its present manifestation. There are "Grenadian" African Rastafari Warriors as well, and without them, Maurice Bishop would never have [temporarily]  gained power. It is the masses of the people who win revolutionary struggles, not an individual or two in an official leadership position.
Also not only Cuba came to the assistance of Grenada at the time, there were Guyanese there as well.

[gman]

PS are you under the impression that Jamaican politicians are in the habit of listening to Rasta people, so that Rasta people could have pressured the government of Jamaica (Edward CIAga at the time) to intervene on behalf of the New Jewel Movement? So that somehow it is the fault of Rastas in "Jamaica, Barbados" [two islands on opposite ends of the caribbean], that the Jamaican and Barbadian governments did not intervene on behalf of the New Jewel Movement?
Do you have something "personal" against Rastas, afrikanrebel06?
And why so defensive towards mwana afrika?

[afrikanrebel06]

PS are you under the impression that Jamaican politicians are in the habit of listening to Rasta people, so that Rasta people could have pressured the government of Jamaica (Edward CIAga at the time) to intervene on behalf of the New Jewel Movement? So that somehow it is the fault of Rastas in "Jamaica, Barbados" [two islands on opposite ends of the caribbean], that the Jamaican and Barbadian governments did not intervene on behalf of the New Jewel Movement?
Do you have something "personal" against Rastas, afrikanrebel06?
And why so defensive towards mwana afrika?

me and him have st the records sraight,as regarding to grenadians,i have been fully interactive with the grenadian ass in toronto and talked to people that went thru the revolution, the elders told me,a lotta people will be spouting marcus garvey,but grenaddians did with the help of cuba mostly,they helped to build the airport there and after amerikkka invaded they captured the cuban workers,as regarding guyanese there,i will ask dem again,who was supporting and who wasnt and who was the pseudo revolutionaries,and i will get back to you on dat one,because,there are people that lived thru it and were part of the NEW JEWEL MOVEMENT
 BTW,i was not defensive towards him lol @gman

[gman]

Cool man, go ahead and have a laugh.
My question really was, why you want to dis Rasta people all the time. Is is something personal?
"Maurice Bishop was the only pan africanist of the 1980s"... any one who knows anything can sit down and have a laugh at you for writing that.
Perhaps you are not aware that Brudda Walter Rodney (YES I KNOW YOU KNOW WHO HE IS ACCORDING TO BOOKS YOU'VE READ; I KNOW a MEMBER OF HIS FAMILY AND PEOPLE WHO WORKED WITH HIM IN GUYANA. OK.) was alive in the 80s. He was assassinated in the year 1980. 1980 is part of the 1980s. He was still alive in the early part of 1980. Hence Walter Rodney was also a pan africanist of the 1980s. As was Baba Ras Marcus (to name one person whose reasonings you could peruse on Rastafari Speaks.) He was a pan africanist  in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, and he is still a pan africanist in the 2000s. My sistren Juliana is a pan africanist; she was definitely around throughout that decade known as the 1980s. Assata Shakur, pan-africanist, was operative during the 1980s (albeit from a jail cell, and later in exile in Cuba... and all due respect to Cuba, by the way). Kwame Toure formerly known as Stokely Carmichael = another pan africanist active during the 1980s. A brudda I know named Zizwe who is a member of the AAPRP the org. that Kwame Toure founded, I am sure to judge by his age was also active in the 1980s. I MEAN, COME ON MAN. MAURICE BISHOP WAS NOT THE ONLY PAN-AFRICANIST OF THE 1980s.
And Europeans do not directly own "99.9%" of productive lands in Africa. The forces of white supremacy & capitalism (& the so called "Asian Tiger economy" capitalist or so-called 'communist' states as well, increasingly) definitely got Africa and the whole first (so called "third") world under lock and we definitely need to chase dem crazy baldheads out of town. You don't need to make up wild and crazy statistics to try to convince people of that. Most people on this forum (with a few exceptions like "vsm") are well aware of that already, based on reality, not some wild and crazy supposed statistics.
I only posted this cos you waan laugh at I, when I been trying to point out to you, how you might be able to stop other people from laughing at you (as I sure they been doing... I mean, Haile Selassie murdered his own son and daughter? What hat did you pull THAT one out of?)
Anyway man... P.E.A.C.E. out

[afrikanrebel06]

you will realize that the global afrikan community is diverse,like i posted brazilian rasta dont worship sellassie,rastafarism is based on  the bible and the cult of personality,why deify sellassie,in the first place,
maurice bishop was assassinated.of course,i know about kwame ture and doctor walter rodney,both bishop and rodney assinated,secondly,jamaica would have beena paradise,because of christianity and rastafarism,
wouldnt it,most garveyites here in toronto,do ackowledge that those ohter islands did shit on stick to help grenada and they left grenada on their own,evena grenadian( older generation will tell you dat) i know also about assata shakur and sundiata acoli and the move 9 which have wriiten to me,castro even helped samora marcel,i am not communist,nor socialist,because karl marx was jew and he developed his theory based on afrika, communalism. socialism and commumism came from communalism,all iam doing is ackowledging that cuba did help a lotta people,whether you want to recognize or not.

[gman]

You keep insisting that RasTafari movemant is such and such a thing, without fully overstanding the RasTafari movemant. Your analysis may be true of the individual Rastas or supposed Rastas who you have interacted with in Canada. (Although I'm sure you have not met enough of a percentage of Rastas in Canada to make a valid generalization even in that context). But it is not true as a generalization of the RasTafari movemant. What you are doing is dwelling on the external symbols and attributes of RasTafari (eg., Bible, ganja, Haile Selassie the monarch) without overstanding the inner essence of RasTafari. Anyway you are already dialoging with Natural Blacks so if you keep an open mind and throw away your pre-conceptions, you may gain more insight into what RasTafari is really all about. I would also suggest that you read the posts by elder Baba Ras Marcus on RasTafari Speaks board.
Anyway I'm not gonna get into no more big debates about RasTafari with you, you have your pre-conceived notions of what RasTafari is, if you have an open mind, then you will eventually learn different through checking the different posts from Rastas on these boards.
Edson Gomes, I never met him but I like the man music! I met a fair number of Rastas and semi-Rastas in Brasil, mostly around Brasilia DF. Some of them certainly seem to praise Haile Selassie I (exactly what their conception of Haile Selassie I is, I don't know cos I didn't reason that deeply with em on the subject.) Then again, some of them call themselves Rastas while they drink alcohol to get drunk, and eat meat including pork. (Not saying this is typical of Brazilian Rastas but I did meet some like that...) RasTafari seems to have entered Brasil mostly through reggae music, and reggae music is not always the best representative of Rastafari. There's some "Rastas" in reggae music who are only "Rastas" cos they think it's a convenient image to sell albums with. I mean, no disrespect to Beenie Man who is a good lyricist (although he seems not to be able to write lyrics on any other subject, other than sex). But when he yells out "Jah Rastafari", I don't think it's a lot of real Rastaman that tek him too seriously. He ain't living no Rasta way of life, he living a cristal champagne-popping groupie-slamming way of life, "Rastafari" is just one of many catchphrases he might adopt from time to time to appeal to certain sections of his audience and try sell more records. Just using him as an example; my point is, you shouldn't let the individual Rastas you may have met, define your entire view of Rastafari; just as I am not saying that Brazilian Rastas in general are a bunch of pork-eating Skol-guzzlers, just cos I met a couple who drank beer and ate meat.
Anyway enough of that, I'm just gonna agree to disagree on that cos it don't seem like you're budging from your position - only time will tell as you examine people's reasonings. Back to Grenada and Cuba: I never said Cuba didn't help people. Cuba has supported liberation struggles in Angola and Namibia as well as Grenada. Cuba gave my cousin and many other Guyanese scholarships to get high levels of education (in agriculture, in my cousin's case). As I said in the post above, all credit where credit is due, Cuba has done a lot compared to other countries (although I think it's a bit naive to think that Castro did all that with no strings attached at all; I'm sure he expected some influence in Bishop's government in exchange for helping them build the airport, etc.) But no doubt, credit is due to Cuba for their contributions.
The fact remains that most of the people on the ground fighting Gairy's mongoose squad were grassroots Black African Grenadian people, not Cubans. Many of them were Rastas. That's a fact. Also, while Gairy was very obviously against the grassroots people, it doesn't follow that Bishop and his party leadership apparatus were entirely FOR the grassroots people. I will just leave that at that, and you can do more research for yourself and see what you find out- bear in mind that people have different perspectives based on their experience. According to some, Bishop and other leaders of the NJM did not in reality fulfill many of the ideals the party was supposed to stand for, and did not always show enough appreciation for the grassroots poor people (Rastas, Muslims and others) who actually defeated the Mongoose Squad on the ground.
As far as Guyana's involvement, I don't know how much Guyana was involved on a governmental level (although Burnham was positioning himself as an ally of Castro, Bishop and "the left" in general at the time [whether hypocritcally or not is another story], so it wouldn't surprise me if there were Guyanese forces sent there by the Guyanese government.) But I have heard that there were at least some individual Guyanese working with Grenadians during the revolutionary period. I believe some Guyana Defense Force (GDF) personnel were there in a training and support capacity.
Mainly the point I was making, is that regardless whether you think Maurice Bishop could do no wrong and was the greatest pan africanist of the 80s or whatever.... even if you are convinced of that, revolutions are NEVER made by one man or one "great leader", they are ALWAYS made by the masses of the people. To use another example, the little girl whose name you'll never know, who fearlessly walked into a line of ferocious police dogs in Birmingham, Alabama, was just as important if not more important to the so-called "civil rights" movement, as Martin Luther King Jr.
Anyway I glad to see that our occasionally acerbic exchanges don't seem to have led to any personal animosity. Personally I'm a vegetarian, so I don't like beef, you sight? So just cool brudda, respect peace and love to the I (you) and we will continue to build!
[PS I think it was you asking on the other forum about AWOL magazine... you had lost your copies... I've looked through my stuff and while I can't find any AWOL magazines, I have found a couple of the CDs, if you want a copy of 'em then private message me and I'll work out some arrangement for getting them to you. Do you know Wulidah Imarisha or Mario Africa?]

[afrikanrebel06]

greetings of peace and serenity gman!

ok i agree with some things you say,first things first,we all are hue manis,bantu,muntus,than rastas or what ever,right,because the first hue mans came from east and central africa,just ask jemba,i think me and him have the same teacher,so who launched the armed struggle in grenada? the rastas or the new jewel movement,i have his biography maurice bishop speaks.
yeah,if u can be kind enuff to send me the copy of the awol cds,i did talk b4 with walidah imarisha and other brother and my cd case( hemp cd case was confiscated in toronto air port along with all my cds)
did you know that some of the coptic monks in ethiopia are rastas,as one friend of mine that is an african rasta told me,anotha question gman,do white people come here to africa speaks,we should kicvk dem out,because they have their own space,this should bea space for us,melanated peoples,if those allien race
want to come in and instigate,thats what they are good at,what do ya think,
kweku omowale
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peace be unto you!

[Bata Fola]

I am a European & I am interested in buying land in Africa.

I do not have the cash so it is a dream.

I am a musician playing drums & percussion.

I would love to have a place with a small venue & farm not for commercial but for local community & being a centre for learning & remembering.

If I buy land but share that land & the ways it helps me is that wrong.

Am I rascist no. Rascism has always filled my spirit with sadness & is one of the view issues that has led me to real violence.

Do I think that colour is important no I do not.

colour seems to be very very important in America.

Am I responsible for the greed & terrible actions of Individuals & companies/corporations the answer is no I was just born that is all I know.

Can any of us choose where we are born or who are parents are even, we have about as much choice in this as we do to change history.

Are their African leaders who do wrongs, Yes most certainly.
He who seeks power is wrong for the power.

Are their Asian leaders who do wrongs, Yes most certainly.
He who seeks power is wrong for the power.

Are their European leaders who do wrongs, Yes most certainly.
He who seeks power is wrong for the power.

The way I see it is.
we need to stop worry about badness in past & grasp tightly to the Ancient wisdom.

We must treat all people with love n respect regardless of their background social status or race.

Only the wrong doers whoever they are, deserve our scorn.

one love n peace

[afrikanrebel06]

read your history,europeans are and were always barbaric,the celts,the danes,the sctos,were barbaric people,european have always beena feudalistic society,sorry man,africa doesnt belong to you,nor your ancestors,the vikings were barbaric people who conquered other tribes raped the women and killed the children,the reason europe was underpopulated during the early 1500s, due to the bubonic plague,is because europeans neva had good hygienic principles,it is up to us,african descedants from the world over,to decide the plight and destiny of our birthright,when the whole europe is based on old feudalism and archaic laws,amerikkka is based on old british feudalistic laws.leave africa for the africans,we have to solve our problems,without eu- rope- ans rheziku aryans and indo europeans trying to interevene!

[ooggooles]

Greetings
Where I come fron In the Africa Carribia (Caribbeans), the Islans of St. Vincent and the Grenadines (where the Black-Karibs kicked around three European Empires for 200 years (Spanish, french and English)). It is not possible for a non-citizen to purchase land, unless they partner with a citizen, and that citizen can own no less that 51% of the land. African must stop hoping for a dream word. Non-Africans are looking out for their own self interest first so must Africans.

JAH