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melaninmagic
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« on: May 06, 2006, 04:05:01 AM »

Some backlash posts from Kamau Kambons' 2005 speech. http://www.rushroom.com/comtrack.aspx?bid=2396

Now I am by no means in favor of exterminating anyone regardless of race. Killing for any reason is an unrepairable wrong, but these posts made me think... How is the problem of White Supremacy ever to be solved if it is impossible to convince even one victim that they are being oppressed? Individuals such as Dr. Fuller etc. discuss various counter-racist techniques that should be targeted towards the oppressor so as to expose their embedded racism. No real ideas have been put forward to re-educate the existing and grossly uninformed masses. As the real power lies with the masses, this majority cannot be ignored.

On paper Fuller's ideas sound solid, but in reality they serve absolutely no practical purpose if a method cannot first be devised to convince the larger oblivious majority of victims to stand up for themselves. I.e. the victim must be re-educated much faster than they are being brainwashed. This was never the case, and is certainly not the case now. It seems to me that the only feasible solution on the table at the moment is to wait and hope that the masses will spontaneously wake up. (Yea right!!) Where is the logic in attempting to convince a white ruling class to cease their actions if you cannot even convince single black person that they still exist under slavery? Want to prove how hard it is? Take an arbitrary black working class American or Caribbean man/woman aside and tell them that they are Africans, and their asses are still enslaved. Then record the response.  Believe me, the response you get is the general consensus, and trying to convince otherwise would be like pulling teeth. This is the reality.

If you try to force the issue, the inevitable outcome would be for the victim to defend the oppressor and what good would that serve? The White Supremist has invested considerable time in ensuring that exactly this would occur, and it would be foolhardy to assume otherwise.

What is your input?


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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2006, 11:25:58 PM »

I can understand where this man's hate is coming from. But his ideas are both impractical and almost tyrannical. Racism needs to end period. Racism towards blacks, towards Asians, towards every race. If he thinks exterminating whites will solve problems he's very wrong. VERY VERY WRONG. I agree that there seems to be the underlying goal of destroying Blacks in the world...but no one life is greater than the other. No one person is worth more than the other. "Not every white man is my enemy and not every black man is my brother."- Lucky Dube. Not every white man is the "devil"...not every black man is innocent. We need to deal with problems within our race through education....showing hate towards others only solidifies the stereotypes. We should not let the rest of the world think the worst of us.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2006, 11:31:02 PM »

What is even more upsetting in this article are the replies. Look at what the man has incited in people. How many non-Black people will read this and think badly of our race. This speech was given at a university. Disgusting. Utterly Disgusting. Damn it...why can't we all just get along...just be peaceful....How I wish the world were colorblind.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2006, 12:25:35 AM »

QuasiFem,

Your opinion "How I wish the world were colorblind" etc. may or may not be correct, depending on how others view it. I choose not to get back into that particular debate as it goes no where but in a circle.  With all due respect, comments like yours that outlinine problems with no practical solutions only serve to detract from the real issue at hand.

The time for wishful thinking is at an end. The real question is how does one re-educate the majority? White Supremacy has mastered their form of re-education to an exact science. It is imperative that we do the same. In essence, we need to become 'fishers of men'. The question is how. Any ideas?
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2006, 02:02:30 AM »

peace and hotep,

melaninmagic, when you state:

"Individuals such as Dr. Fuller etc. discuss various counter-racist techniques that should be targeted towards the oppressor so as to expose their embedded racism. No real ideas have been put forward to re-educate the existing and grossly uninformed masses. As the real power lies with the masses, this majority cannot be ignored.",

have you read neely fuller jr's  'the united independent compensatory code/system/concept: a textbook/ workbook for thought, speech and/or action for victims of racism (white supremacy)' in its entirety?

because when you state:

"On paper Fuller's ideas sound solid, but in reality they serve absolutely no practical purpose if a method cannot first be devised to convince the larger oblivious majority of victims to stand up for themselves.",

respectfully, you must have missed the part about just who controls the nine major areas of human activity including Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex, and War which affects the education ( sorry but re-educate implys that ones have received an education) of the grossly uninformed masses..   

melaninmagic, also, unlike kamau kambon, neely fuller jr. has never advocated the extermination of "white" people.

neely fuller jr. suggest maximum emergency compensatory act/action against White Supremacist Racist, not white people or white racist "suspects".  there is a difference which neely fuller consistently refers to the White Supremacist Racist as the smartest people in the known universe. the White Supremacist Racist have the ABILITY to end our current system of incorrectness and injustice BUT NOT THE WILL TO END IT.

melaninmagic, neely fuller jr.s' " m.e.c.a." is a suggestion to Victims Of Racism of a method to instill in White Supremacist Racist the "WILL" to do what they have the the ability to do by being the smartest people in the known universe.

some one's fail to see the logic of classifying White Supremacist Racist as 'smart' like some one's fail to see the logic of the methodology of maximum emergency compensatory act/action.  as neely fuller jr. points out, it is not necessary to kill 'white people". it would not be just  or correct.

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quasifemme, when you state:

" I can understand where this man's hate is coming from. But his ideas are both impractical and almost tyrannical. Racism needs to end period. Racism towards blacks, towards Asians, towards every race. If he thinks exterminating whites will solve problems he's very wrong. VERY VERY WRONG.",

please remember,

"if you do not understand White Supremacy (Racism) ---- what it is, and how it works ---- everything else that you understand, will only confuse you."

also, get

 'the united independent compensatory code/system/concept: a textbook/ workbook for thought, speech and/or action for victims of racism (white supremacy)'  and read it in its entirety. 

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seshatasefekht7
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2006, 05:16:04 PM »

Neely Fuller Jr's

*INTRODUCTORY NOTES AND GENERAL WRITINGS RELATIVE TO RACISM AND THE LAW OF COMPENSATION*

Racism:  A Basic Perspective

The matter sometimes referred to as the “race problem”, is the BASIC-INITIAL “unfinished business” among the people of the known universe.

Therefore it is not possible to EFFECTIVELY speak and/or act to eliminate ANY major problem that involves people without FIRST eliminating the problem of racism, in every area of activity, including economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and war.

In order to do this, it is necessary for victims of racism [non-white people], in effective numbers, to know and understand who the racists are, how they function, and for what ULTIMATE purpose.

The victims of racism must also know and understand how the power of the racists (to practice racism) can be nullified and/or eliminated, by victims of racism, speaking and/or acting as INDIVIDUAL PERSONS.




Racism:  Some Initial Questions

Why race?

What makes racism so important as a problem?

Are there not other problems among the people of the world that are much greater?

What about the problems of unemployment, housing, food shortages, healthcare, robbery, and laziness?

What about tribalism and sexism?

What about the confusion that exists in the area of religion?

What about capitalism, and communism, and drugs, and alcohol, and ignorance, and pollution, and lying politicians?

Why race?

Is it not narrow-minded to see racism as the major evil?  Did not other evils exist long before the practice of racism?

What about the problems of distrust, and greed, and envy, and murder, among NON-white people as well as white?

What about economics?  Why not see to it that everyone is adequately fed and housed FIRST?

Why not work to establish a system that guarantees that EVERY person will be comfortable and protected---regardless of color, or non-color? 

Why not reach for a greater goal?  Why not eliminate the problems of distrust, greed, envy, and murder among ALL people?

Why single out the “race” issue as being more important than any of the other problems that continue to plague the people of the known universe?

Why not eliminate the other major problems, and, by doing so, through that process, dismantle the “need” for people to practice racism?

Why not have the SMARTEST people of goodwill, regardless of color, or sex, or age, come together and solve the REAL problems of the world instead of wasting time with what is really an artificial barrier?




Racism:  Some Initial Answers

Two Facts:

(1)   The WHITE people of the known universe, are collectively, the smartest, AND the most capable, of ALL people, and,

(2)   The WHITE SUPREMACISTS (racists) are the smartest, and the most capable of ALL the white people.


Of all the people of the known universe---both white and non-white---those white people who practice racism (white supremacy) have the GREATEST ABILITY to use truth, and to use it in such manner as to produce justice and correctness, in all place, in all areas of activity, in the shortest period of time.

The white people who practice racism know that they could, if they CHOSE to do so, produce justice and correctness among the people of the known universe. They are smart enough to do this.  They also know, however, that in the PROCESS of producing justice and correctness, they would also eliminate white supremacy (racism). Knowing this, they have chosen NOT to produce justice and correctness. They prefer to continue to practice white supremacy, though they fully understand that in order to practice white supremacy they must do so by promoting FALSE HOOD, NON-JUSTICE, and INCORRECTNESS.  They apparently believe that the value of white supremacy is at least as “valuable” as the practice of justice and correctness. To them, the promotion of white supremacy HAS PROVEN to be, in many respects, “better” than justice, and “better” than correct-ness.

The white supremacists (racist) have a TOTAL need to be, and to feel, supreme over ALL non-white people, at ALL times. This supremacy is what they value most, though they know that it can only be maintained by promoting falsehood, non-justice, and incorrectness. Through the skilled use of deceit, direct violence, and/or the threat of direct or indirect violence, the masters of racism (white supremacy) have chosen to continue this practice for no apparent basic reason than to be “proud” of themselves for causing others to be fearful of them, and/or to be dependent upon them. Such a relationship is non-just and incorrect. This is not the way that [any] people should relate to each other.

Those white people who practice white supremacy should stop doing so. They should strive to become WISE instead of being satisfied with being “smart”. The knowledge and understanding that they possess is a GIFT.  That gift should not be wasted on what is fundamentally an ego-producing enterprise. It is incorrect to squander the gift of knowledge and understanding on the promotion of racism. All knowledge and all understanding should be used to produce a universe in which no people---white or non-white---abuse each other. The basic duty of each and every person in the known universe is to find truth, and to use truth in such manner as to produce justice, and correctness, at ALL times, in ALL place, in ALL areas of activity.

In practice, there is no other way for any person in the known universe to “justify” his or her existence.




Explanation of the Law of Compensation:

Question:  What is meant by the term “compensation”?

Compensation is a law.
Compensation is a law of “nature”.
Compensation is a law of existence.
Compensation is a law of mathematics.
Compensation is the ‘LAW of LAWS”.

A person compensates for his or her lack of ability by relying on the ability of other persons or things.

A “people” compensate for their “weakness” by depending on the “strength” of other people, or things.

One who tills the soil is compensated by the fruit of the soil.

A microscope compensates for the limitations of the eye. So does candle light…  So does electric light.

Light compensates for dark, and dark compensates for light.  Heat compensates for cold, and cold compensates for heat. Sound compensates for silence, and silence compensates for sound. Existence compensates for non-existence, and non-existence compensates for existence.  “Death” compensates for “life”, and “life” compensates for “death”.

A flying machine compensates for a person’s physical inability to fly.

WRITING is a compensatory process used to make up for limitations in knowledge and/or memory.

“Religion” is a compensatory SYSTEM.

PRODUCTION of off-spring is a compensatory ACT.

MONEY is a compensatory TOOL.

To eat is to compensate.     
To sleep is to compensate.     
To walk is to compensate.     
To talk is to compensate.     
To breathe is to compensate.     
To cry is to compensate.     
To ride is to compensate.     
To work is to compensate.     
To play is to compensate.     

There is no such thing as “OVER-compensation”.
There is no such thing as “UNDER-compensation”.
There is no such thing as “PARTIAL-compensation”.
There is no such thing as “DEGREES of compensation”. 

Compensation either IS [compensation] or it ISN’T [compensation].

The law of compensation is applicable to all that is in the known universe.




Special Note:

It is important to know and understand that the word “compensation” is, at best, a word that can be used to describe a [“compensatory”] condition that does exist, an/or a [“compensatory”] “desire” for a condition that does not exist, and/or has never existed.

The use of the word “compensation”, may or may not, sometimes, promote contradiction and/or confusion.

For that reason, both the word and the “concept” of “compensation”, should, like all other words and “concepts”, be used to reveal truth, AND produce JUSTICE and CORRECTNESS.




Explanation of Racism as Related to the Law of Compensation:

Question:  How does the law of compensation relate to Racism?

Within the vastness of a phenomenon commonly know as “space”, there exists a phenomenon commonly known as the “universe”.

Within the “Universe” there exists numerous bodies of massed materials of various sizes and shapes which are situated a various “distances” in their relationship to each other. Upon, and/or within some of these massed materials exist things which have been commonly referred to as “plant life” and “animal life”.

Some of this “animal life” is commonly referred to as “human beings”, and/or “people”.

NONE of these “people” are EXACTLY ALIKE in the way that they ARE.

NONE of these “people” are EXACTLY ALIKE in the way that they THINK.

NONE of these people are EXACTLY ALIKE in the way that the APPEAR to other people. Because none of these people are exactly alike in the way that they are, none are exactly alike in the way that they think, and none are exactly alike in the way that they appear to other people, some of the people, sometimes “treat” some of the other people in a “different” way. The difference in treatment between people is always a result based on a difference in thinking that exists among people. The differences in the thinking of some people sometimes causes differences in the treatment of other people, based on the difference in the thoughts of people as regards the “size”, “shape”, “height”, “weight”, “color”, “complexion”, “general presentation”, “general state of being”,  of people and/or PARTS of people  or persons. Ofttimes some people are treated in an unjust manner, by other people, on the basis of “color’, and/or, on the basis of factors which some people regard as being “associated” with “color”, and/or an “idea” of color.
When people are treated “unjustly”, they are deprived of, and/or denied access to, something of “value” to which they are entitled.

When people are deprived of, and/or denied access to something of value to which they are entitled, it is correct for them to ASK FOR THAT TO WHICH THEY ARE ENTITLED.

When people ASK for that to which they are entitled, and are REFUSED, they are then entitled to compensation.

When people ask for compensation from OTHERS, and are refused that compensation, they must then acquire compensation for THEMSELVES through their own efforts.

When people seek to acquire compensation for themselves through their own efforts they must establish a “COMPENSATORY SYSTEM” to use as a basic guide for thought, speech and/or action.

When people form, and function through, a “Compensator System” they should base that system on some form of compensator “Code” which is especially designed to help serve the “needs” of people according to their “Status” and/or “Classification”.

Most people of the known universe “classify” themselves as being INDIVIDUAL PERSONS.

Most people of the known universe “classify” themselves, and/or  ARE classified by OTHER people, as being members of a “Group”, and/or as members of a combination of interrelated and/or associated “Groups”, on a basis of “Language”, Customs”, “Religion and/or Philosophy”, “Economics”, “Color”, etc.

Some people of the known universe HAVE CLASSIFIED THEMSELVES on the basis of the “Non-Color” (“White”). These people call themselves “White People” and/or “Caucasian”. 

Some people of the known universe HAVE BEEN CLASSIFIED on the basis of the “Color(s)” (Non-White). These people are generally referred to as being “Black”, “Brown”, “Red”,  and “Yellow” and/or collectively, as being “Non-White People”.

Other people of the known universe may, or may not be, or may, or may not, HAVE BEEN classified by other labels.

Those people of the known universe who have classified themselves as “White” people and/or “Caucasian”, and/or as members of the White Race, and who are in NEED  of compensation, are, should be, or have been, provided with compensatory “Codes” which are designed to serve the “Needs” of “White” and/or “Caucasian” people. Those people of the known universe who have been classified as “non-white” people, and who are in need of compensation, are, should be, or have been, provided with compensatory “Codes” which are designed to serve the “needs” of “non-white” people.

Any “other” people of the known universe who may be classified by other labels, and are in need of compensation, should be provided with compensatory “codes” which are designed to serve the “needs” of those “other” people who are classified according to those “other” labels.

The “needs” of ALL people are best served when their thought, speech, and action is promoted through the adoption of correct [compensatory] “codes”.

No “code”, however, should be used to promote falsehood, non-justice, or incorrectness. All “codes” should help to produce justice and correctness.





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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2006, 05:30:47 PM »

Some Questions and Answers Relative to “Racial” Compensation:


What is the “statute of limitation” on justice?

There is no “statute of limitations” on justice.  No matter when, or where, NON-justice exists, it should be immediately replaced with justice.

How does the law of compensation relate to “color”?

All color, “shades” of color, or absence of color, is “neutral”.

There is no such thing as a so-called “right” color or “wrong” color.

All known color, “shades” of color, or absence of color, have a correct claim to existence.

It is INCORRECT to either “hate” or “love” color, “shades” of color, or absence of color.

The action toward, and/or re-action to, color, “shades” of color, or absence of color, by people, is always determined by the way people “see” themselves in relation to all people, place, things, etc.

To RECOGNIZE and/or ACKNOWLEDGE the differences in “color”, “shades” of color, or absence of color, in the appearance, and/or in the essence of people, animals, plants, etc.,  is CORRECT.

To treat people, animals, plants, etc., UNJUSTLY, and/or INCORRECTLY, by utilizing factors “associated with” differences of color, shades of color, or absence of color, is to contribute to one of the major reasons for the absence of “peace” in the known universe.


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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2006, 07:42:32 PM »

Hi seshatasefekht7,

I am agreeing with what you said in your posts, but I feel the need to further elaborate on some of my earlier points so as to avoid misinterpretation.

As stated on page one of Neely Fuller's book, the purpose of The United Independent Compensatory Code/System/Concept is:

"To present material, in book form, which can be used as a basic guide for those non-whites persons who are the VICTIMS OF RACISM...."

"To present material, in book form, which can be used as a start for a “complete” code of thought, speech, and/or action for VICTIMS OF RACISM..."

etc.

What I am trying to say is that in its most fundamental form, this book empowers those persons cognizant of the fact that they are VICTIMS OF WHITE SUPREMACY, with the tools to combat their oppressors. A major prerequisite, then is for the reader recognize that he/she is a victim or an accomplice in the victimization process. Without this acknowledgement, much of the desired effect of the book is lost. There are vast majorities of non-white individuals who are completely oblivious to the fact that they are either victims or accomplices, and as such, would not even bother to give this book a second look. Logic suggests that these persons vastly outnumber us, and it is these individuals who continue to defend and support (unknowingly) an oppressive system.

It is the continued defense of this system by these clueless (brainwashed/mis-educated) non-white individuals that serves to nullify anything contained in Fuller's book, as these persons unwittingly provide solid evidence to whites, other non-whites, as well as white supremacist that the real problem with the system is not one of racism, but some other unknown phenomena taking place. The inevitable result is for the victim to end up being blamed by ALL parties for the problems they are facing, whereas, it should be racism being blamed. This phenomenon is so pervasive that victims generally have a hard time even discussing racism. What we are fighting against then, is a completely enclosed/conserved perpetual system that literally feeds on the reactions of its members.

Now, there currently exist only two methods by which an individual becomes 'unplugged' from the system of White Supremacy; directly or indirectly.

Directly, the individual experiences a racist moment so intense that it forces them to view things from an entirely different perspective. The individual, after regurgitating everything they have been forced-fed, will then (hopefully) make a conscious decision to fight against the oppressor.

Secondly, through a process similar to osmosis, i.e. the individual picks up in the 'atmosphere' a general sense of discontent due to existing racism, and lives through these experiences vicariously. This indirect method also results in the individual challenging the currently established system, but is usually less likely seeing that it requires the individual to have some degree of empathy for suffering and the sufferer to begin with. Without this, the individual is unable to 'feel' the suffering of a people.

Now, consider on pages 31 through 34 when Fuller discusses the four stages of racism (White Supremacy); Establishment, Maintenance, Expansion, Refinement. On the topic “What is meant by ‘refining’ White Supremacy?” (Page 34) it states: “The term refinement of White Supremacy means to improve the methods of maintaining White Supremacy… The refinement stage of White Supremacy is the “ideal” stage of racial subjugation to those White Supremacists who strive to produce it... They prefer a condition where the victims willfully support being the subjects of the White Supremacists”.

Observation alone suggests that we as an oppressed people are well into the stage of ideal refinement, which is why it will, over time, become harder and harder for individuals entangled within the system of White Supremacy to find a way out for themselves. As such, it is left upon US to help find a way out for them! This is the message I am trying to convey. We need to become “FISHERS OF MEN”. We need to come up with methods of unplugging those that cannot unplug themselves.

The most efficient means of halting the perpetual system of white supremacy in its tracks is to cut its fuel/feeding supply. That is, it is imperative that we get to the uneducated masses BEFORE the white supremacists, as well as to re-educate the mis-educated. Our ideologies must spread like a virus throughout the entire system. It is also imperative that this be done in a peaceable and non-violent method. Can this even be accomplished?

The reason, for this post is to solicit methods in which this could be done effectively. Nothing more, nothing less.

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2006, 09:34:24 PM »

peace and hotep,

melaninmagic, when you state:

"Observation alone suggests that we as an oppressed people are well into the stage of ideal refinement, which is why it will, over time, become harder and harder for individuals entangled within the system of White Supremacy to find a way out for themselves."

please remember, that refinement is of White Supremacy Racism does not apply to the victims of racism and the racist are refining their "process".


also, melaninmagic, when you state:

"As such, it is left upon US to help find a way out for them! This is the message I am trying to convey. We need to become “FISHERS OF MEN”. We need to come up with methods of unplugging those that cannot unplug themselves.",

i see neely fuller jr. as a “FISHERS OF MEN”, but it  is impossible to unplug all of those that cannot unplug themselves. hence the importance of mecca.

melaninmage, when you presume by stating:

"the most efficient means of halting the perpetual system of white supremacy in its tracks is to cut its fuel/feeding supply.',

please remember that the Law of Compensation prevents the system of White Supremacy (Racism) from perpetuating  itself.

melaninmagic, if " it is imperative that we get to the uneducated masses BEFORE the white supremacists",

you have learned nothing about who controls nine areas of human activity. EDUCATION included.....

and the our ideologies does not have to spread like a "matrix-like" virus and it may not be imperative that peacefull and non-violent methods prevail according to neely fuller jr.

melaninmagic,  is frances cress welsing wrong to cite neely fuller jr.? 

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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2006, 09:54:55 AM »

peace and hotep,

melaninmagic, isn't the reparation and/or repatriation movement and/or the "Covenant with Black America" compensatory.


"When people are treated “unjustly”, they are deprived of, and/or denied access to, something of “value” to which they are entitled.

When people are deprived of, and/or denied access to something of value to which they are entitled, it is correct for them to ASK FOR THAT TO WHICH THEY ARE ENTITLED.

When people ASK for that to which they are entitled, and are REFUSED, they are then entitled to compensation.

When people ask for compensation from OTHERS, and are refused that compensation, they must then acquire compensation for THEMSELVES through their own efforts.

When people seek to acquire compensation for themselves through their own efforts they must establish a “COMPENSATORY SYSTEM” to use as a basic guide for thought, speech and/or action.----neely fuller jr"

allegoricly, moses sought compensation as well. when a few of the hyksos children or israel established "comfort zones"  under the pharonic system, those 'zones' were temporary. they were temporarily "plugged in" to the system. today, tupac et al attempted to get out of the ghetto but the ghetto has a way of following you around or in order to not be lonely one gravitate back.  unless you are clarence thomas----he's never coming back.

withe or withe out neely fuller jr's book, compensation occurs since it is a natural Law.  it may happen slower withe out provocation like "The United Independent Compensatory Code/System/Concept"  but it must happen according to natural Law.

Every one may not possess a copy of neely fuller jr's workbook/textbook but injustice has a way of pushing ones toward justice. it is only a matter of time.

to me Fuller's works are comparable in scope withe the works of Einstein......
but  neely fuller jr. can not be celebrated until incorrectness and non-justice of the system of White Supremacy Racism  is replaced withe correctness and justice. Lips Sealed

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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2006, 02:33:05 PM »

the problem is because people have been conditioned for 500 years that the bread crumblr they get is enough you,it is even harder to convince dem,that they are contributing to their own oppression,when i explain black christians that king james wasa dissident of the catholic church,and he and others founded the
anglican church and the presbeterian church,there were other dissidents from the church of england like king george that founded his own secular religion,the problem@melanin magic and brothers and sisters,is islam and christianity,how we gonna convince people,they are contributing to their own oppression,when the islamic uncursion of africa,occured during 600 and 700 ad,people are stuck in dogma and old paradigms,
and they are affraid of change,just think about it,because old habits are hard to break.
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2006, 12:09:07 PM »

Damn it...why can't we all just get along...just be peaceful....How I wish the world were colorblind.

Yeah yeah yeah, why can't we all get along'N just be peaceful ? Ask em same question they probably say bcoz we "black"'N they "white" and justify it with their bible.

Lets face reality, its Never gona happen. They hate us first and so we hate em back. No point forcing em to like us, we are what we are (not "black" but Afrikans) forever.  Our concern now should be development and push our mighty race forward.



Afrikan and as proud as a Lion.

Mwanaafrika.
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2006, 03:19:13 PM »

Some backlash posts from Kamau Kambons' 2005 speech. http://www.rushroom.com/comtrack.aspx?bid=2396

Now I am by no means in favor of exterminating anyone regardless of race. Killing for any reason is an unrepairable wrong, but these posts made me think... How is the problem of White Supremacy ever to be solved if it is impossible to convince even one victim that they are being oppressed? Individuals such as Dr. Fuller etc. discuss various counter-racist techniques that should be targeted towards the oppressor so as to expose their embedded racism. No real ideas have been put forward to re-educate the existing and grossly uninformed masses. As the real power lies with the masses, this majority cannot be ignored.

On paper Fuller's ideas sound solid, but in reality they serve absolutely no practical purpose if a method cannot first be devised to convince the larger oblivious majority of victims to stand up for themselves. I.e. the victim must be re-educated much faster than they are being brainwashed. This was never the case, and is certainly not the case now. It seems to me that the only feasible solution on the table at the moment is to wait and hope that the masses will spontaneously wake up. (Yea right!!) Where is the logic in attempting to convince a white ruling class to cease their actions if you cannot even convince single black person that they still exist under slavery? Want to prove how hard it is? Take an arbitrary black working class American or Caribbean man/woman aside and tell them that they are Africans, and their asses are still enslaved. Then record the response.  Believe me, the response you get is the general consensus, and trying to convince otherwise would be like pulling teeth. This is the reality.

If you try to force the issue, the inevitable outcome would be for the victim to defend the oppressor and what good would that serve? The White Supremist has invested considerable time in ensuring that exactly this would occur, and it would be foolhardy to assume otherwise.

What is your input?




Greetings. I have a problem with genocide because I have a problem with genocide. I have a proble with the genocide in the Dafur region of NUBIA. I would consider myself to be a hypocrite (unless my definition of hypocrite changes) to support any genocide. The White-supremacist system has to be exterminated. This system is a psychological system which has to countered psychologicaly. It is important that we realize that the psychology and culture are inter-twined. Everything from entertainment, to clothing, to education to the way we stand, sit, relate to each other, even in some instances the foods we consume and how has to be evaluated and countered, as and/or if necessary. The who, when, where, what, why, then, should, could, would, maybe's, what ifs ect., have to be understood on a basic level. How do we begin to counter white-supremacy? The first step is to be able to recognize that psychology and culture are inter-twined and how they are inter-twined. The second step is to organize around that knowledge. The third step may require research and developement. And the fourth step requires implemantation, fine tuning, and to repeate the whole process as necessary, which it most likely will be necessary to do so.   
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2006, 09:28:58 PM »

Yes, ooggooles! I agree with these suggestions you have made.

In order that the system orf Racism/White Supremacy maintain it's dominance over all areas of human interaction:

Education; Economics; Entertainment; Health; Labor; Law; Politics; Religion; Sex and War,

it requires no less than a systematic, logically implemented and surgically executed plan by racist/white supremacists to ensure it's continued survival.

To counteract this unjust system and replace it with a system of Justice, individuals classified as non-white must devise and execute an equally systematic, logically implemented plan. Nothing short of this will ever stand a chance.

I have begun this campaign in my own way by attempting to enlighten any victim of racism/white supremacy that I encounter who appears to be in critical need of this kind of assistance.

It has been observed that individuals who have had a personal experience with the 'raw soft underbelly' of the system of WS are more open to accepting what needs to be said. I draw this conclusion because I was once one of these persons. Hence, it is precisely these individuals that I target.

The logic behind this reasoning is that an individual must first be REJECTED (regurgitated) by the system BEFORE he/she is able to unplug themselves from it and awaken to the REAL truth.

It is VERY difficult for an individual who enjoys the benefits of the system of Racism/White Supremacy to let go of that system.

In essence, "it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to go to heaven" -Holy Bible-



Keep the faith.
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