(To: Seshatasefekht7) Neely Fuller Jr's Prejudice statements

[Ras_Nevoe]

This is taken from a conversation that took place between Neely Fuller Jr. and a white female.


Neely Fuller Jr.:
About White Supremacy. you get the truth about white white supremacy from WAL and that's a part of African American culture? Is that African American culture includes talking about and telling the truth about White Supremacy? Thats why you are drawn to it, CORRECT!?

White Female:
Yes! correct....[NFJ interrupts: is that analysis correct?(correct!)...So far so good continue]....Well, you were saying what would people be drawn to in the black culture and I think what we're drawn to is the sense of humility that we don't see in the white culture, the sense of love and......[NFJ interrupts: well wait a minute you're moving too fast. YOU PICK UP A SENSE OF WHAT,!(Humility) humility? From whom?].....Well I just think black people are more humble than white people [NFJ Interrupts

Neely Fuller Jr.:
wait a minute hold it. "Black people are MORE humble than white people?" now you're speaking for an "all-time record" remember words are important, particularly, wait a minute…..are you a white person? (yes) from a white person, words are important, particularly in a forum like this, where there are a lot of non-white people, who give HIGH regards to what a white person says, including me. That's why it's is important that you slow down, cuz I’m a little retarded…back of the bus, bottom of the boat, retarded…..OK……this is the truth!…..OK, Soooo….repeat what you said last if you can remember. [NFJ naively thinks that he has confused her]

White Female:
Well, I just feel that black people in this country have a beautiful way about them that seems like it’s less, you know…arrogant than white people [NFJ: Interrupts again: LESS arrogance?!]

Neely Fuller Jr.:
Now, why do you think this is? Because it has been my experince that black people don’t have any problem being arrogant with each other (WF: oh! (Chuckles)…OK….Have you ever noticed that? (No!) You haven’t seen black people around each other.

White Female:
No, not, when, I wasn’t there, I mean (WF:chuckles) (NFJ: OH!) (WF: chuckles again) (Audience chuckles)


Neely Fuller Jr.:
THAT…might be significant! (WF: oh! Chuckles) in other words the fact that you are around black people sometimes and black people during that time are, humble and full of humility(is that correct?) and not arrogant.You know what?…Logically speaking your presence might have something to do with that.

White Female:
But I’m that way too, I mean I’m a, I don’t have any self confidence, so, I mean I kind of identify on a personal level, I mean [NFJ: You mean what?][/I] Well,  I think those of us who were, like I had a traumatic childhood, so I kinda identify with people who have been through trauma

It continues on and gets more ignorant, prejudice and stereotypical………………….

listen to the entire conversation by clicking on the link below.

http://www.counter-racism.com/articles/convo/fullerandwhiteperson.html

[seshatasefekht7]

peace and hotep,

Ras_Nevoe, this was you original remark:

^^^are you kidding me?! Neely Fuller is a Biggot! How can a biggot help you "Counter Racism"??


That's like this country's Administrations "War On Terror" how can  the biggest terrorists free the world of terrorists?

If you ask me these white folks are simply scared of the White Elites and now they expect black people to come and help them because in their eyes "we know how it is to be disenfranchised". LOL, I don't know about you but i'm not ready to join no rainbow coalition when we've been here for centuries and these same whites who are desperate for black guidance laughed and cheered at my suffering. Just my views!

peace!

Ras_Nevoe, you mentioned bigotry in your original opinion. now, you are speaking on prejudice under this topic.

bigotry is one thing. hatred.

prejudice is one thing. pre-judgement.

anyone is capable of being either but in your excerpt of neely fuller jr., please put your finger on a clear example of of bigotry or prejudice by him. 

i can not see it. where does neely fuller jr. show hatred/bigotry toward the person or where does he make a pre-judgment? 

thanks for your response.

[melaninmagic]

I am in complete and total disagreement with you, Ras_Nevoe.

You supplied a conversation between Neely Fuller Jr. and a White female as an example of him functioning as a bigot.

After having both listened to, and read this conversation you supplied, it appears only that Neely Fuller was posing questions to the White female to which she responded.

My question to you is this:

Is it possible for a question, any question be considered bigoted? Think carefully about this before you respond! Would it not be more correct to say that it is only responses to questions, and not the actual questions themselves that may or may not elicit bigoted remarks?

If you disagree, please supply one example of a bigoted question from any senario of your choosing and explain yourself.

Neely Fuller Jr.:
THAT…might be significant! (WF: oh! Chuckles) in other words the fact that you are around black people sometimes and black people during that time are, humble and full of humility(is that correct?) and not arrogant.You know what?…Logically speaking your presence might have something to do with that.

This is an example of one of the few actual conclusions Neely Fuller has drawn in this conversation based solely on the White female's responses. Is it justice to accuse him of being a bigot by drawing this colclusion?

What would make you think it is?

If you believe that my logic is flawed, you will have to:

1) supply an actual bigoted question or bigoted conclusion that Neely Fuller made in this conversation to convince me or anyone else

2) as well as to outline why you maintain that either the questions or statements Neely Fuller has made in this particular conversation are bigoted ones.

[siger]

Forgive my ignorance.
I do not know much of Neely Fuller or this Counter-racism Logic; but I beg to differ with  melanin and sesha's thesis on this matter.
After listening to the extract, I think Ras-Nevoe might have a point.

You ask for statements and remarks that show bigotry, but what about sentiments?
In my perception, Fuller serves not to engage the lady in a logical battle of wits; rather he seems to be intent on ramming her down.

It is not his remarks that I point to; it is his incessant interjections and interruptions. Do you reallize that we never get to hear the point the lady was trying to volunteer?

And what does our good Fuller mean with the sexual intercourse? Or even eating in the restaurants? Does any one need a reason to eat in a specific place? Are these not the disparities your fore-fathers sought to dismember? It is like relegating them to the back-of-the-bus.

Does counter-racism mean reverse-racism?

Again, I might be ignorant about the AMerican society and its view of justice; call these the innocent rantings of an ignorant African teen.

[Ras_Nevoe]

Again, I might be ignorant about the AMerican society and its view of justice; call these the innocent rantings of an ignorant African teen.

You're not ignorant. It's possible you're  ignorant to American culture, I don't know, but you're not an ignorant person from what I got from your response. And I also agree with you. It is good that you are not familiar with the concept of counter-racism, that way you can analyze the discussion without any bias on either side.

anyone is capable of being either but in your excerpt of neely fuller jr., please put your finger on a clear example of of bigotry or prejudice by him. 

i can not see it. where does neely fuller jr. show hatred/bigotry toward the person or where does he make a pre-judgment? 

If you disagree, please supply one example of a bigoted question from any senario of your choosing and explain yourself.

I used bigot when i should have used the word prejudice, that's the reason I changed it in this thread.
so here is one comment that is prejudice and directed at black people.

White Female:
Well, I just feel that black people in this country have a beautiful way about them that seems like it’s less, you know…arrogant than white people [NFJ: Interrupts again: LESS arrogance?!]

Neely Fuller Jr.:
Now, why do you think this is? Because it has been my experince that black people don’t have any problem being arrogant with each other (WF: oh! (Chuckles)…OK….Have you ever noticed that? (No!) You haven’t seen black people around each other.

He is  obviously being prejudice by insinuating that ALL... not SOME.... not MOST.... but black people IN GENERAL are arrogant among each other. I don't know about the next man I n I as rasta remain humble and conscious amongst I brethren and sistren at all times. If I was the only humble black man on the face of the earth(definately not the case) that prejudice statement would be false.

I hope that is enough, but if you need more elaboration i will be more than happy to assist the I.





Thanks for all opinions, and the opportunity to debate with the I's

[seshatasefekht7]

peace and hotep,

Ras_Nevoe,

when you state,

He is  obviously being prejudice by insinuating that ALL... not SOME.... not MOST.... but black people IN GENERAL are arrogant among each other. I don't know about the next man I n I as rasta remain humble and conscious amongst I brethren and sistren at all times. If I was the only humble black man on the face of the earth(definately not the case) that prejudice statement would be false.

I hope that is enough, but if you need more elaboration i will be more than happy to assist the I.

do you believe or agree that all people have a right to be prejudice or make prejudgements?
i now know that before people mature that we are in a constant state of making judgements based on practical experience and gradually learning from our own mistakes.

do you believe or agree that all people have a right to be hateful or bigoted?
i now know that hate is the condition of fear and as long as fears persists, there will be haters although love is betta than hate to me.
in some cultures the fear of snakes may cause all snakes to become villians while in other cultures snakes may be adored as symbols of wisdom. therefore, people from snake fearing cultures occassionally die of venom or constriction while people from snake worshipping cultures acknowledge and learn about not only the snake but also other things pursuant to higher learning. so time people see things that they see and fear and immediately seek to end its life. this is not right. this is not just. this is not neely fuller jr.

Ex: adam/eve mythology versus african reverence/respect for serpents.

Ras_Nevoe, bigotry or hate is  strong terminology. prejudice is something normal that we all go through.
neely fuller jr. does not fear people who classified themselves as "white" and then classified all others as non- "white"........he actually understands the whole system of White Supremacy which is the only functioning system based on Race Supremacy in this known universe.

neely fuller jr. realized that White Supremacy does not allow for any non'white' group to function from a position of supremacy.


thereby, it is normal when siger implies that non'white' can be "reversed Racist" in the statement made here:

Forgive my ignorance.
I do not know much of Neely Fuller or this Counter-racism Logic; but I beg to differ with  melanin and sesha's thesis on this matter.
After listening to the extract, I think Ras-Nevoe might have a point.

You ask for statements and remarks that show bigotry, but what about sentiments?
In my perception, Fuller serves not to engage the lady in a logical battle of wits; rather he seems to be intent on ramming her down.

It is not his remarks that I point to; it is his incessant interjections and interruptions. Do you reallize that we never get to hear the point the lady was trying to volunteer?

And what does our good Fuller mean with the sexual intercourse? Or even eating in the restaurants? Does any one need a reason to eat in a specific place? Are these not the disparities your fore-fathers sought to dismember? It is like relegating them to the back-of-the-bus.

Does counter-racism mean reverse-racism?

Again, I might be ignorant about the AMerican society and its view of justice; call these the innocent rantings of an ignorant African teen.

thirty years ago, racism was White Supremacy, and today racism is White Supremacy. even in places where alleged revolutions have taken place, White Supremacy still rears its ugly head..........why is there a need today to change/censor the meaning of the term "Racism"?  why is there a need/movement to remove the "n" word.

after the holocaust, the european jewry determined themselves to NEVER FORGET even though a few zionist today behave as nazies towards a captive palestinian people.

conversely, many victims of the african maafa have decided to FORGET to the point to which we are not only ignorant of ourselves but we are collectively ignorant of others as well.

Ras_Nevoe, in hindsight please consider neely fullers statement once more:

White Female:
Well, I just feel that black people in this country have a beautiful way about them that seems like it’s less, you know…arrogant than white people [NFJ: Interrupts again: LESS arrogance?!]

Neely Fuller Jr.:
Now, why do you think this is? Because it has been my experince that black people don’t have any problem being arrogant with each other (WF: oh! (Chuckles)…OK….Have you ever noticed that? (No!) You haven’t seen black people around each other.

 

if , collectively, non'white' people were not ignorant withe ourselves and others we would not be dominated in every area of human activity in the known universe, including Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.  a few White People known as White Supremacist practice Racism or the subjugation of the biologically superior non'white' people of the world in an attempt to prevent their own fears of genetic annihilation by "so-called" race mixing.  today, those few White Supremacist who practice Racism are the most powerful and intelligent people in the known universe. however, withe much power comes much responsibility. it is their responsibility to produce justice and if they do not produce justice their power will be taken away.

the victims of Racism must collectively or independently submit their own redress of greivences to White Power. compensation is a natural law. withe cosmic implications.



Ras_Nevoe, many people have thrown neely fuller out ,similarly, like ones have thrown their own "babies out withe there own bathwater".  yes, many revolutionary ideas have been aborted like hope-filled babes.

[chiefblackbear]

The woman who doctor Neely Fuller was questioning SAID

If the opportunity came for her to get with a black man, that she would not hesitate

That really shocked me

She also said that black people are more loving and our culture has more humility. Is that the image of a black man in her mind a loving humble man that she is there in that meeting hoping to find?

That just sounds like PERVERSITY to me

[Ras_Nevoe]

Originally Posted By: Seshatasefekht7


do you believe or agree that all people have a right to be prejudice or make prejudgements?
i now know that before people mature that we are in a constant state of making judgements based on practical experience and gradually learning from our own mistakes.

You're right, because I myself was mistaken about Dr. Neely Fuller until I really studied the logic behind counter-racism over the last week or so. Before I was speaking with little knowledge of the overall code concept of counter-racism and I prejudged Dr. Fuller, so to ur question, NO, I don't think we have the right to be prejudice because I was wrong and I apologize for calling Dr. Fuller prejudice and a bigot.

Ras_Nevoe, bigotry or hate is  strong terminology. prejudice is something normal that we all go through.
neely fuller jr. does not fear people who classified themselves as "white" and then classified all others as non- "white"........he actually understands the whole system of White Supremacy which is the only functioning system based on Race Supremacy in this known universe.

neely fuller jr. realized that White Supremacy does not allow for any non'white' group to function from a position of supremacy.

^^^^^^I agree 98726716276187267167680000000000%%%

Originally Posted By: Cheifblackbear
The woman who doctor Neely Fuller was questioning SAID

If the opportunity came for her to get with a black man, that she would not hesitate

That really shocked me

She also said that black people are more loving and our culture has more humility. Is that the image of a black man in her mind a loving humble man that she is there in that meeting hoping to find?

That just sounds like PERVERSITY to me

LOL.......yeah it does sounds perversed and she snickers while saying this. I guess with the internet and porn DVD's they got to find out that the "myth" REALLY IS TRUE. LOL

[seshatasefekht7]

peace and hotep,

Ras_Nevoe,

thanks for you sincerity.

freedomisahapisalve

[Ras_Nevoe]

peace and hotep,

Ras_Nevoe,

thanks for you sincerity.

freedomisahapisalve

No! thank you! I benefited from this reasoning in many ways.................




Sesha, I was so impressed with Dr. Fuller, Edward Williams, Bilal, Josh and the other staff members that I have decided to start a "Counter-Racism Newsletter" that will be posted on websites and forums all-over the net including websites like
"MYSPACE.com", "Hi-5.com", "Youtube.com" and many others. I was wondering if you and Melaninmagic(I saw you at the Worrk/Study forum at C-R.com, Melanin). I was wondering if you all would like to collaborate on the first release and see how it progresses from there. So far I have two titles the 1st is "Counter-Racists Informer" or "Counter-Racism Informer" (C-RI)  and the 2nd is "The Counter-Racism Journal" (C-RJ). If the I's decide to help I with this project I will take suggestions on all aspects of this project, starting with the title. So if you decide you want to help think of a title and post it with your next response.


Thanx In Advance

Ras Nevoe: Da Prophet

[chiefblackbear]

HOTEP

I wanted to know what solution DR Neely fullers has proposed for the liberation of our African brethren and sisters in the mother lands and other African provinces such as Jamaica and Guadalupe, where there are only black and brown skin people.

 I ask because I see that the title counter racism applies to our brethren and sisters in the Diaspora, where we openly can see forms of white superiority, but in the motherland and other African provinces such as Jamaica and Guadalupe we are confused because white superiority comes in other forms.       

[Fine1952]

As Dr. Fuller is exactly and knows what he is talking about.

To label him a bigot or a racist shows a lack of understanding, research, de-coding technique and insight.       

The issue of racism is a knee-jerk side effect of "Global White Supremacy" which is a 500-year old smoke screen to cover up our "Great" "Stolen" "Legacy"!!! 

The solution to "counter-racism" as prescribed by Dr. Neely Fuller is tooooo bitter a pill and tooooo hard a swallow for most (black folk) today....!

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"Fuller breaks down his idea of there being 3 basic types of people in the known universe, that being white people, non-whites and white supremacists/racists. In his explanation, white people are "people who classify themselves as 'white' and have been classified as 'white', accepted as 'white'... and who generally function as 'white' in all of the nine major areas of activity." He defined non-whites as "people who have been classified as 'non-white', and/or who generally function as 'non-white' in their relationship with each other..." Last, white supremacists/ racists are "people who classify themselves as 'white', and who generally function as 'white', and who practice racial subjugation (based on 'white'-'non-white', at any time, in any place, in any one, or more of the nine major areas of activity."

The 9 Areas of People Activity are (1)Economics, (2)Education, (3)Entertainment, (4)Labor, (5)Law, (6)Politics, (7)Religion, (8)Sex and (9)War
http://www.houseofnubian.com/IBS/SimpleCat/Shelf/ASP/Hierarchy/010J.html
 

PS  -- My personal (10th) is Media.

 

Fine1952